Where is Kamenica, Galizien?
John Hugo (G7X6-2Q8) immigrated from Europe through Hamburg to Liverpool to Philadelphia in Fall 1890. The Hamburg Passenger List entry lists his residence as Kamenica, Galizien. Census entries list his birthplace as Austria Poland, Hungary, and Russia. He was about 16 when he traveled to America - born 1872-1874.
When John died in the 1920s, he was buried in a Catholic cemetery in Hartshorne, Oklahoma. Where can I locate Catholic church records for the right Kamenica? Any other tips?
Thank yoU!
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Yes, this is he. Also, here: Hamburg Passenger List entry when he boarded the ship in Hamburg.
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I have no ancestry access and I don't want.
If available similar list like this please upload it and I can help you.
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Because of several census records in the U.S. that said John Hugo was from Austria, I believe it is in Austria. Lots of places called Kamenica though.
The passenger list
An Austrian gazetteer for Galizien.
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Just two things
1.I wanted to know his original birth name but I'm sure he not was John Hugo. After 1900 the immigration office write to the paper the people original names and relatives. Without this we can not do anything.
2. If in the officier write to the paper Hungary he come from Hungary not Galicia (Austria).
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The attached Hamburg passenger lists include the former residence of the passenger. John reported the place as Kamenica, Galizien.
Census and naturalization records in the U.S. consistently reported his birthplace as Austria.
- The 1900 U.S. census in Pennsylvania lists the birthplace as Austria & the language as Polish.
- In 1905 when John Hugo applied for U.S. citizenship, he renounced allegiance to Francis Joseph of Austria-Hungary.
- The 1910 U.S. census in Oklahoma lists his birthplace as Austria & the language as Slovak.
- The 1920 U.S. census in Oklahoma lists his birthplace as Austria & the language as Slovak.
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I raise my hands but if you use Search -> Records menu lastname = Hugo you will find more records in case of location Hungary, Slovakia and Poland and less Austria. Ahoj
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Kamenica means something like "rocky place" or "quarry", so it should not be surprising that there are approximately a gazillion of them. All of the ones listed in the 1892 Hungarian gazetteer are southern (Serbo-Croatian), but there is a northern one: Kamenica, Sabinov, Prešovský, Slovakia, which was Tarkő, Sáros, Hungary before 1920. (The Hungarian name literally comes out "bald rock".) The 1913 gazetteer says the 974 residents primarily spoke Slovak, and the local church was Roman Catholic.
The Polish spelling was apparently Kamienica or Kamieniec, or at any rate, those are the placenames with multiple occurrences in the Galicia volume of the 1905-1908 Austrian gazetteer (Vol. 12: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/218291).
The Kamienica in Limanowa (Kamienica, Limanowa, Małopolska, Poland) had a population of 1644 Polish-speaking Roman Catholics. Near as I can tell, it's the nearest to Slovakia on the gazetteer's list.
American records regularly truncated "Austria-Hungary" to just "Austria", so you can't really determine which part of the empire to look in based on U.S. censuses. A post-Treaty of Versailles U.S. record may be more useful, since most records required the then-current country, so a 1930 record of "Poland" or "Czechoslovakia" could at least tell you which set of gazetteers to check.
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Suggest you contact this church for the potential marriage and/or baptisms of John Hugo. He is listed as John Huga in the history:
https://liturgicalcenter.org/media/parish_pdf/GBG/gbg-20.1.pdf
It is listed as being formed by Polish and Slovak immigrants to Glen Campbell, PA. Church records most often will solve the problem of immigrant origins. Mary Jetz, wife of John Hugo, will be another tough problem.
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Thank you so much! I will contact the church.
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The son's 1930 census enumerations names his parents' birthplaces as Czechoslovakia. Also, John's wife's obituary said that she was from Czechoslovakia. Does this help narrow it down?
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Go to page 26
Name:
John Huga
Record Type:
Petition
Declaration Date:
27 Mar 1905
Declaration Place:
South McAlester, Oklahoma, USA
Court District:
Central District in Indian Territory
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Bingo, but we don't know where he was born yet.
I think he was German from name Hugo.
What do you think?
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My best guess would be he is from Slovakia. Hugo, at least to me, seems a bit more Germanic. All the indications are Austria-Hungary. There are a few indications the surname was Huga. Perhaps Hugya. His wife, Maria Jetz is also somewhat of a mystery. George Jetz living in 1900 with the family (born 1881). Can't seem to find him either. The Slavs tend to be somewhat more elusive in my experience.
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I know some Hunya in Endrőd (they were resettled from Slovak parts after 1750)
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Galizien was the Southern part of Poland, North of what is now the very East of the Czech Republic and of Slovakia. Some of the main cities were Krakow and Lwov, in the East. On Wikipedia there is quite a detailed map of Galizien, unfortunately the letters were too small for me to read. There are other areas bearing the same name, but as your ancestor was born in Austria, Poland, it is this one. With a bit of luck you might find there was only one Kamenica there.
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John Hugo's oldest daughter, Helen, married two Kliment brothers in the U.S. - first Ignatius and then Augustus - both were baptized in Radošovce, Skalica, Slovakia. While searching the Slovakian records, the surname Hugo was common enough. I am waiting to hear from the Catholic church secretary in Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania, and from the archivist in Oklahoma & hoping more clues are in those records. So many great ideas from this community board - I will update when I know more.
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