looking for parents
Looking for parents of Patrick Phelan GBZ4-NDZ. Any help that could be given would be appreciated very much.
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Looking at Patrick Phelan's FamilySearch page at GBZ4-NDZ, I see you have shown him to have been born in Ireland about 1728 and to have died in Ireland on 20 March 1778.
Those are really early dates with regard to Irish records, in fact they are around 100 years before formal records of birth, marriage and death commenced in Ireland, and before a time when much was recorded in terms of church records. So, the early dates somewhat limit the opportunity to determine details of Patrick's parents.
I see there are no records or documents attached to Patrick, to his spouse, to his children or to his grandchildren.
It would be helpful to understand how you came to determine the details you have entered on Patrick as there are no records or documents supporting the details. Is this information from some other records that you are in your possession? If so, it would be very valuable to have these attached to Patrick and his descendants FamilySearch pages.
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John,
Thank you for your comments and I do understand your skepticism, however, I have no where else to go.
My primary goal is to research the Phelan family ancestry. Here is what I believe to be true.
John Phelan (my son) Born 1965 -
Thomas Merle Phelan (me) Born (1941 -
Joseph Crawford Phelan (my father) Born 1917
Thomas William Phelan (grandfather) Born 1868 - 1953
William P. Phelan (great-grandfather) Born 1840 - 1923
William Phelan (great-great grandfather (Born 1794 - 1894) I take isue with this as he would be 100-years old
Another curious note, my son John Phelan in 2023 had his DNA checked and it found he is 9% Scottish and 0% Irish. How can this be?
Any help you can provide will be immensely appreciated because what I have to work with, Mormon Ancestry Records starts to get real iffy around the time of William Phelan born 1794.
Thank you,
Thomas (name removed)
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No skepticism whatsoever intended upon my part. Apologies if that was the impression to were left with. It certainly was not my intention.
My comment was that looking for Irish records on a person who was born in 1728 and died in 1778 is a very, very difficult task, as essentially the records do not exist and were, in all probability, never created in the first place.
I was born in Ireland and my entire family have lived in Ireland for centuries, yet it has been impossible to build a record and fact-based family tree back beyond about 1790 due to the total absence of any supporting records. And even that early date is only for a few specific individuals.
I see your family are American, with your ancestor emigrating from Ireland in the early 1800s. That does add to the complexity of the task as, with Irish records, knowing as precisely as possible where the person lived in Ireland is a significant factor in being able to build a well-supported family tree. Ideally, it would be best to know the name of the townland where the family lived.
North American records are very good, and I have seen that you have done an excellent job in trying to get as much information as possible from the American Census, Marriage and Death records, which can be a wealth of valuable information.
The person who emigrates from Ireland to North America would seem to be William P Phelan 2ZSW-NJZ. He is singularly important in your task. You have shown him to have been born in on 10 June1840 in Abbeyleix in Queen's County in Ireland. However, there doesn't seem to be any records or documentation to support this date and location. Also, his siblings don't seem to be supported by any sources or documents. The sources attached to his parents are a little generic, without significant connection to others in the family.
Phelan is a relatively frequently found name in Ireland, which adds to the importance of establishing a specific place of origin for all people in the family tree. John Grenham's excellent site indicates that the Griffith's Valuation of the mid 1800's counted 1211 individual families with the surname Phelan in Ireland and when variants of the spelling are included, the total rises to individual 2510 families. These families could consist of 10 or more individuals, so the total is significant.
My suggestion is to work on building the strength of records and documentation supporting William P Phelan 2ZSW-NJZ to his parents and siblings and thus building back from that.
It would be very interesting to understand how you came to the specific details on people before William P Phelan 2ZSW-NJZ and his father William Phelan G6PW-WCK. Adding the detail of those records and any documents would greatly add to the possibility of extending the family tree back into the 1700s.
Best regards, John.
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