Two records of the same event and I *still* can't make it out

Julia Szent-Györgyi

The wedding of Peter Kutzer and Maria Anna Josepha Susanna Kastenholtz took place in Pozsony (Pressburg, now Bratislava) on 13 October 1737 (number 18): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9R73-1X9?i=367&cc=1554443&cat=1857277.
Although both parties were Lutheran, a somewhat abbreviated record was also entered in the register of the St. Stephen Roman Catholic church (cathedral) in Vienna:
https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/wien/01-st-stephan/02-049/?pg=170.

What I think I've got: the groom's father was Andreas Kutzer, he was from Bohemia (the Pozsony record says something about "Redwitz"?), and the bride's father was Johann Andreas Kastenholtz, Lutheran preacher in Sopron (Oedenburg).
The mothers of the bride and groom have their given names written in proper Latin letters, so I know they were Maria Elisabeth for the bride and Rosina for the groom. (Oh, and both witnesses were Lutheran preachers, one in the Slovak congregation, the other in the German congregation in Pozsony.)

What I cannot figure out: the surnames of the mothers, what (if anything) it says about the birthplace of the bride or the occupations of the groom and his father, and whether it mentions anything about anyone's age or living/deceased status.

Julia Szent-Györgyi

Found the baptism of a possible brother of the bride, but I still can't figure out the mother's surname.

8118702 223/732 (Sopron Luth. bapt.)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVH-PGJ1?i=222&cat=206472
1724 Oct.
151. D. 31.
Ehrenreich Wilhelm (possibly the same as Honorius Wilhelm Kastenholtz?)
Joh. Andreas Kastenholtz
Maria Elisabeth geb. ???.

Edited to add: and very likely the bride's baptism, still no luck on Mom's surname. I think there's an -eide- in it and it ends in -ss or -st.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVH-PLNP?i=116&cat=206472
117/732
1718 April 6
Anna Josepha Susanna
Joh. Andreas Kastenholtz, Evangelischen Predigers alhier
Marie Elisabeth geb. ??

Robert Seal_1

Hello @Julia Szent-Györgyi,

In the October 1724 baptismal record, Maria Elisabeth's maiden suranme as written is: Leÿdenfrosten = Leÿdenfrost or Leidenfrost.

In the April 1718 baptismal record, Maria Elisabeth's maiden surname is: Leidenfrost.

"Leidenfrost" is the more common spelling but when searching you should search under both spellings.

Julia Szent-Györgyi

Huh. Thank you, @Robert Seal_1. (I had a few candidates for the identity of that first letter. 'L' was, uh, rather far down the list.)

Robert Seal_1

Hello @Julia Szent-Györgyi,

Did you notice in the link you provided for "Honorius Wilhelm Kastenholz" that his mother was identified as:
Leydenfrost Mária Erzsébet = Maria Elisabeth Leydenfrost.

Here is some additional information about the groom's father, Andreas Kutzer:

Redwitz was a Bohemian enclave in Bavaria, which was ceded back to Bavaria in 1816: See the following link:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marktredwitz

particulary section 2.1, History until the 19th century.

The October 1737 marriage record of Peter Kutzer and Maria Anna Josepha Susanna Kastenholtz identifies the groom's father as Andreas Kutzer, former mayor at Redwitz in Bohemia, because at this time (1737) Redwitz was a Bohemian enclave in Bavaria.

Are you familiar with the unusual way German scribes write the "Sch" combination at the start of a word? The "c" is usually given short shrift. After studing the groom's mother Rosina's maiden surname for a considerable amount of time, I believe her maiden surname is "Schmid" which begins with the unusual "Sch" scribal combination.

I found the following family in FamilySearch Family Tree: Andreas Kutzer (LCYM-29D) of Redwitz with a wife named Rosina Schmid. Peter Kutzer is not among this couple's four children but these could possibly be his parents and family.

I hope this helps you with your research.

Robert Seal_1

Julia Szent-Györgyi

@Robert Seal_1, I completely missed the mother's name on the Wikipedia page. :-/

Thank you for the Redwitz info; I had never heard of it before. I found the source for the Redwitz family you found in the tree (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS86-SCKW-R?i=386&cat=342727); the only Peter Kutzer in it is a day-laborer in Brand who got married in 1779.

I'll need to pick this up after the weekend. (Going to an event that's so remote, they're talking about providing paper maps to help people get off-site, because there's no cell service.)