Do the names match in these (mostly Viennese) records?
I've somehow ended up in a Viennese rabbit hole again, and it's enough to make me doubt my own literacy.
Using GenTeam and Matricula-Online, I found the following three baptisms and two marriages that I think are all the same family:
Rk. Erzdiözese Wien / 01., St. Michael / Taufbuch | 01-18 / 03-Taufe_0096 : Maria Magdalena Theresia Malfatti, 1 Jan 1792
Rk. Erzdiözese Wien / 01., St. Michael / Taufbuch | 01-18 / 03-Taufe_0104 : Anna Bernardina Malfatti, 6 Dec 1792
Rk. Erzdiözese / Wien 01., St. Stephan (Stephansdom) / Taufbuch | 01-101 / 02-Taufe_0198 : Joannes Baptista Jacobus Malfatti, 18 Oct 1795
Rk. Erzdiözese Wien / 01., St. Stephan (Stephansdom) / Trauungsbuch | 02-077 / 02-Trauung_0220 : Jakob Friedrich Malfatti v. Rohrenbach und Theresia v. ?elsern, 10 Feb 1791
Rk. Erzdiözese Wien / Etsdorf am Kamp / Trauungsbuch | 02-03 / 02-Trauung_0035 : Ignaz von Gleichenstein und Maria Malfatti, 29 May 1811
"Malfatti" is thankfully not a German name, so it's mostly written in proper Latin letters, meaning I can at least find the right entry on the page, but gnnngh, the rest of it is … ugh.
Can I get some help transcribing all of the names from these entries? (Just the names would be enough for now; I'll tackle the occupations and addresses and whatnot some other day. Unless someone's feeling particularly energetic or something.)
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Hello @Julia Szent-Györgyi,
Here is what I read:
First record: Maria Magdalena Theresia Malfatti.
Second record: Anna Bernardina Malfatti.
Third record: Joannes Baptista Jacobus Malfatti.
Note: All three of these children have the same parents. For the first two children the father is: Jacob Friedrich Malfatti von Rohrenbach. For the third child the father is: Jakob Malfatti de Rohrenbach.
Fourth record: Jakob Friedrich Malfatti v. Rohrenbach; Theresia v. Velsern.
Fifth record: Ignaz von Gleichenstein; Maria Anna von Malfatti.
Based on these five records, I would agree with you that they the same family.
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Thanks, @Robert Seal_1!
Any chance of getting your reading of the parents' names in the two marriage records? Especially the mothers' surnames?
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You're welcome, @Julia Szent-Györgyi.
Parents' names in the 10 Feb 1791 marriage record:
Groom's father: Johann Baptist Malfatti v. Rohrenbach.
Groom's mother: Maria Anna v. Rohrendorf (deceased at time of this marriage).Bride's father: Joseph v. Velsern (deceased at time of this marriage).
Bride's mother: Magdalena v. Moser.[1811 marriage record to follow in separate post.]
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Hello Julia,
Parents' names in 29 May 1811 marriage record:
Groom's father: Karl von Gleichenstein (titled in record as baron).
Groom's mother: Franziska von Beÿer (titled in record as baroness).Bride's father: Jakob von Malfatti (identified as wellborn, noble).
Bride's mother: Theresia von Velsern (identified as wellborn, noble).1 -
@Robert Seal_1, thank you muchly! I thought for sure I was imagining things on the Rohrenbach-versus-Rohrendorf thing. Thank you for the evidence that I am not, in fact, going utterly batty. :-)
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