Translation of Parish Record
I'm hoping someone can help me with the record at the link below:
It is Canada, Quebec Catholic Parish Register, 1629-1679, Quebec, Notre-Dame-de-Quebec, 1839-1840, Image 52 of 574, S60. The main thing I'm trying to determine is where Therese Baby was actually interred. It appears to have been in the Chapel of (unreadable to me) in a church. But is the church actually Notre Dame de Quebec?
Thanks so much for any assistance on this.
Judy Damewood
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G99Q-99H1-Y?i=51&cc=1321742&cat=242176
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Link doesn't work. Can you tell which parish and I can look it up that way?
And maybe the year
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Repaired URL: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G99Q-99H1-Y
in the Chapel of Sainte Anne of the parish church of Quebec
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I asked a (very smart) friend of mine from Quebec about the question. He gave me the following. (If you enlarge the map - with the plus (+) sign over at the right, you will see it is very near but not the same as the Notre Dame cemetery.)
I found this in FamilySearch places at the following link:
Also in Find a Grave site:
Which is beside the Notre Dame de Québec church.
I see in the record that she is buried in that cemeteryhttps://www.familysearch.org/research/places/?distance=1k&lat=46.81&lng=-71.21&pagenum=3&searchTypeaheadInputText=46.8138,%20-71.2061&focusedId=11830265
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It looks like the second, find a grave link did not copy. Here it is:
Also in Find a Grave site:
Which is beside the Notre Dame de Québec church.
I see in the record that she is buried in that cemeteryHere is a quick summary (from my friend) of what the listing says. Note it is not an infant or child.
Short translation
Buried in the cemetery of the Ste Anne chapel of the parish church of Quebec, Dame Thérèse Baby, widow by second marriage of Thomas Allison, esquire, captain in the fifth infantry regiment of the majesty, died on the 25th of the current in this parish, aged 73 years and 6 months.
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In searching LaFrance, I found more information on this family: Thomas Allison and Therese Allison had child, Thomas Allison, born 13 aug 1796, bapt 1 oct 1796 at Cathedral of Holy Trinity in Quebec (Anglican); that child died 25 nov 1809, burial record at Notre Dame de Quebec.
And it also showed Therese Baby, d 25 mar 1839, they show it recorded at Notre Dame de Quebec; she was age 73, spouse of Thomas Allison, as noted above. (this is the extraction in LaFrance of the record above)
She is called Therese Allison in the child's baptism record. I did not find any record of Thomas Allison's marriage to Therese, or any first wife, and so assume it happened elsewhere (?).
Ancestry has some info, showing Therese Baby de Chenneville and says they were married 25 sep 1811 in Quebec (N.D. Quebec) but I cannot verify that.
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Notre-Dame de Québec register for 1811 is on DGS 5470549. The page for 25 Sep 1811 is image 297.
There is an Allison marriage on that date, but is for Joseph Philippe Aubert de Gaspré and Demoiselle Susanne Allison. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8993-NQ2Z
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Thanks so much to all who responded to my request for assistance! Now that I look back on it, the record is a little confusing. It appears that the word for cemetery was lined through, so I think Aine's reading is the correct one: "in the Chapel of Sainte Anne in the Parish Church of Quebec". I looked at other burial records in the same year, and all included the word cemetery except for Therese's. Interestingly, the Ancestry version of this record doesn't include the words lined through in the FamilySearch version. I did locate a record for the burial of Therese and Thomas's son, Thomas Allison, on 28 Nov 1809, in the Chapel of Sainte Anne.
I very much appreciate the marriage record sent by Aine for the marriage record Joseph Philippe Aubert de Gaspe and Susanne Allison. Susanne was the daughter of T
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The Church had to make 2 copies of every record - one stayed with the church and the other was submitted to the government, as a civil record. In a time before carbon paper, typewriters, and photocopying, that meant each one was handwritten separately. That's why you will find differences between the two versions - sometimes the same record will be on a different page number if one book was written in slightly larger or smaller script. The Ancestry copy is from one set; the FS copy is from the other set.
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Thank you! That explains a lot. From what I have read about Note Dame de Quebec, there is no Ste Anne Chapel within the current church. However, I also read that the interior was destroyed by fire in 1922. I wonder if there was such a Chapel prior to that.
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Here's a brief explanation, from the FS Wiki, about the 2 sets of records: https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/The_Drouin_Collection:_Six_Databases
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Update on my original translation request concerning a relative, Therese Duperon Baby, buried within Notre Dame de Quebec: On 11 August 2024 I was in Notre Dame talking with the guide for a tour of the crypt which I had scheduled earlier, and told her that I had a relative buried in Sainte Anne’s Chapel in the church in 1839, but that I didn’t know where it was or had been. She said, “Oh, yes. I’ll show you at the end of the tour.” And so she did. It is now called Sainte Anne’s Altar, and is located in front of the nave on the left. The inside of the church was destroyed by fire in 1922, but nothing underground was harmed (the crypt was fine). The church was rebuilt using the original plans for the building after its destruction during the siege of Quebec in 1759, so I am confident that Therese is buried there. Evidently she returned to her Catholic faith after the death of her Anglican husband. Notre Dame is also where Therese and Thomas Allison's daughter Susanne Allison married Joseph Philppe Auberg de Gaspe in 1811. They went on to have 13 children. Therese and Thomas's son, also named Thomas, was also buried in Sainte Anne's Chapel in 1809. Young Thomas was baptized in the nearby Anglican Cathedral in 1796, and the elder Thomas was buried from there in 1822. So far I have not located the cemetery where he was interred.
I truly appreciate everyone who helped in locating the relevant records.
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Glad you were able to get a personal take on the location. Well done!
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