Ottenbach ZH - baptism - 1812 - Sidler - Hans Jakob
Ottenbach ZH - birth - 1812 - Jakob Sidler
First document:
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Ein laut Ehegerichtlichem Urtheil sub 4. Junii 1812 (No. 82) ehlich gesprochener aber von unverehlichten Aeltern [...] nämlich Johannes Sidler (ledig) u(nd) Margaretha Sidler geb(orene) Beerli (Witwe) erzeugtes Knäblein, Namens H(an)s Jacob Sidler, v(on) Ottenbach. Deßen Taufzeugen sind: H(an)s Jacob Beerli und Dorothea Bär geb(orene) Sidler, beÿde von Ottenbach.
born 14. Sept. 1812 / baptised 15. Sept. 1812.
The father (Johannes Sidler) had been born out of wedlock, but was declared legitimate by the Marital Court on 4 June 1812; he was single. Mother was Margaretha Beerli, widowed Sidler. Child was Hans Jacob Sidler. Witnesses were Hans Jacob Beerli and Dorothea Sidler (married Bär), both from Ottenbach.
Dorothea Sidler (married Bär): the couple getting married 1792 could be the right one - another couple with identical names married after 1800 cannot be excluded.
In your blog you talk about Johannes (born 1777) and his older brother Caspar Sidler (born 1772). Was Caspar also born out of wedlock from the same parents - or were they just step-brothers?
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Follow-up:
If Johannes and Caspar were "true" brothers, i.e. legitimate children with identical parents, could the Marital Court decision of June 1812 refer to the birth of Hans Jacob, born Sep 1812? That means, this decision was taken before the child was born? Have you ever tried to get a copy of this court decision?
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WSeelentag This is the first time I have heard about a court decision. Thanks for enlightening me in this transcription/translation. Caspar and Johannes were true brothers, not born out of wedlock. Caspar and Johannes were both children of Hans Rudolf Sidler:
I think the only person born out of wedlock was Jakob.
Dorothea Sidler married Caspar Bär in Ottenbach 4 Dec 1792. Her FS ID is KH3M-22D.
I'd love to find the court decision. Not sure where to look? This is a major translation! 😋
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I'd love to find the court decision. Not sure where to look?
Likely in the State Archive - but give me some time: I was planning to post info on Rudolf (1742), his sons Hans Caspar (1772) and Johannes (1777) - and then his grandson Hans Jakob, to show the entry and ask about it.
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Thanks for the help!
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I had posted the question on Geneal-Forum - and received an answer, confirming my assumption: According to the Matrimonial Law of 1811, a marriage between a man and his sister-in-law was not permitted. However, the child of such a union still received the rights of a legitimate child - but this had to be confirmed by the marriage court.
I have contacted the State Archive and asked for a copy of the record.
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No rush from me. Yes, I keep up with the Geneal-Forum. I am very impressed with the quality of the answers on the Forum. Thanks for all you are doing! This should be an interesting document!! 😄
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I have contacted the State Archive and asked for a copy of the record.
Unfortunately the response was negative: the records can be viewed (and photographed) at the State Archive - but only by persons visiting the Archive. I cannot offer this.
If you are interested in such a copy - and don't have a contact person in Zürich offering to do this for you - you may have to consider hiring a professional. If you are considering this I recommend you contact Yvonne Hausheer: I am pretty sure that she regularly visits the ZH Archive - so ask her to combine it with another visit (to share the travel time with another customer) - with the signature number known copying the document shouldn't take too long.
Should you get in contact with her, ask her to get in touch with me about more detail.
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