Is death date 8 Sept correct? And a phrase

Tom Randolph

My 8ggfather Theobold Heinrich was buried on Friday 9 Sep 1712 (and which day of the week correctly corresponds to that date), dying from typhoid fever, but the death date appears to be Thursday 3rd or 5th, which doesn't make sense; can it be interpreted as "♃ d 8" even though it looks like a 3 or 5 ?

Also, what would be the right words and interpretation of the phrase 'an einer böse Trunet erholet 9 tage geleg' -- I'm assuming it means something like 'the fever went on for 9 days with no recovery'. Thanks!

Transcription

:Anno 1712.

:♀ d[en] 9 Septembris h. 10. antem: ist gegraben wurde Heinrichs Thiebold, d[er] alhiesige Bürger u Gerichtsman so an einer hitzigen Krankheit an einer böse Trunet erholet 9 tage geleg ♃ d 3? um 1 Uhr Morgens gestorben, seiners Alters 51. Jahr.

 Translation

:Year 1712

:♀ [Venus symbol = Friday] the 9 September at 10 o‘clock in the morning: Heinrichs Thiebold, the local Citizen and Court member, was buried,  as he died from typhoid fever, a fever ?? for 9 days with no recovery, ♃ [Jupiter symbol = Thursday] the ??8?? at 1 o’clock in the morning, his age was 51 years old.

Archives d’Alsace; Archives Départementales du Bas-Rhin; Oberhoffen-sur-Moder - Paroisse protestante (Avant 1793) - Registre de baptêmes mariages sépultures 1671-1737 - 3 E 345/1; https://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C342-P2-R206944#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C342-P2-R206944-2316278; Image 164 of 186; accessed 6 Dec 2023.

Robert Seal_1

Hello @Tom Randolph,

Here are my thoughts:

I agree with you that the burial date is: 9 September 1712, which is a Friday.

I would translate the phrase "einer hitzigen Krankheit" as: a feverish illness, or, an acute illness, rather than specifically typhoid fever.

Notice after "9 tag" there is a small + symbol -- I don't know if that's significant or not. Typically the + symbol indicates death or died, but you do have "gestorben" later in the same sentence. So perhaps as you say he died 9 days after he was taken sick with the feverish illness.

The phrase in the red box escapes me but I think the word you interpreted as "Trunet" actually ends with a "k" rather than a "t". Conjecture: Could the cause of his illness be a "böse Trun(c)k" = bad drink?

Finally I agree with you that the symbol for the day of death represents Thursday and it does read as "Thursday, the 3" which makes no sense because in 1712 the first two Thursdays of the month were 1 September and 8 September. Given that it is unlikely that a person who died on 1 September wouldn't be buried until 9 September, I would assume that he died on Thursday, 8 September, and was buried the next day on Friday, 9 September.

Hope this helps you out.

Best regards, Robert Seal_1

Robert Seal_1

P.S. Because of the uncertainty, you could enter the death date as: 8? September 1712.

Robert Seal_1

Hi Tom,

I like your thinking on bad drink = bad water = typhoid fever. I also read that typhoid fever can last from 7 to 10 days, and here your subject suffered for 9 days.

Tom Randolph

@Robert Seal_1 : It is comforting that you came to a similar conclusion about the date! I think that works ok. The 'bad drink' makes sense -- and might suggest it was indeed typhoid, though I'm not sure how well it was understand at that time. Thanks again!