Please review 1786 burial listing
Johann Clemens Knecht was buried 16 Aug 1786. I think this notice says he died 14 Aug. I can't tell his age: 54y, 11m, 20d might be what it says. Or could it be 57y? Are there clues other than age that might help me confirm this is the correct Johann Clemens Knecht? This is from FHL Film 17638; image 324 of 525 – Vol2418/173/14 (right page, 14th listing):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS8Y-2R7V?i=323&cat=15184
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Hello @Gary Knecht,
Translation:
[Buried on]: 16 August [1786] Johann Clemens Knecht, a "Zeichens-meister" here, died on 14 August [1786], age 57 years, 11 months, ansd 20 days.
Comments: The decedent is 10 days short of turning 58, resulting in a calculated birth date of late August 1728.
I found two distinct definitions for "Zeichens-meister": (1) an official of weights and measures; (2) a drawing instructor.
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OK, @Robert Seal_1 and thanks! I found a likely baptism record on Film 176232; image 46--please look at item 56 on the right page and see if you agree. Date of birth is 28 Aug 1728 and I think the father's name is "Clemensen Knechtg". But I can't make out most of the rest. Please let me know what you can decipher:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS8Y-K7DS-R
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I get:
Eod Clemensen Knechtg hieselbst Sohnl.[ien] Johann Clemons
Zeug. Johannes Grake?, Clemons Tilman?, Anna Kuller, und Catharina Volpert.
Translation: On the same day (28 August) Johann Clemons, a little son of Clemensen Knechtg here. Baptismal sponsors: Johannes Grake?, Clemons Tilman?, Anna Kuller, and Catharina Volpert.
The surnames of the sponsors gave me some trouble so they might be off a little.
I happened to look for this childs marriage and found it on 6 May 1752. He has a brother Wilhelm who gets married on the same day:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS8Y-23SS?i=487&cat=15184
It says:
Johann Clemens Knecht, legitimate son of the late Clemensen Knecht, "Oben zu Widdert" with Anna Philippina Tesche, legitimate daughter of Wilhelm Tesch in the Kullen.
"Oben zu Widdert"
https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/20350068
Kulle(n)
https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/11082063
His brothers marriage is very similar:
Wilhelm Knecht, surviving legitimate son of the late Clemensen Knecht, "Oben zu Widdert" with Anna Catharina Bell, surviving legitimate daughter of the late Abraham Bell at the Platzhoff.
Added note: I happened to run across this family tree that might be your (Johanna) Maria Catharina Stamm who married Johann Abraham Knecht.
https://gedbas.genealogy.net/person/show/16531131
It doesn't have much info on the Knecht line but it does follow the Stamm line back quite far. Click on each parents name and it will take you to the page for that person.
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Note that the -en on Clemensen is just a genitive ending and not part of the name. So both Johann Clemens and Wilhelm are sons of Clemens Knecht.
The same applies for the -g at the end of Knecht which is actually an -s (Knechts).
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@JohnsonGreg and @Ulrich Neitzel Thanks, thanks, thanks!!!
I'm still looking for clues as the "Johann Clemens Knecht" in my family was supposedly baptized on 16 Feb 1732: Film 176235; image 90 of 351; right page, 2nd from bottom:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS8Y-261J?i=89&cat=15184
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Hello Gary,
Translation:
On the 16th of February [1732] a little son of Clemens Knecht and Maria Neeff at Widderth was baptized: Johan Clemens. Witnesses: Johannes _lacke?, Johan Wilhelm Knechtgen, Anna Gerderüth Brabender, and Margaretha Schaeff.
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