Place/circumstances of marriage - Latin
Catholic marriage, Windheim parish, Bavaria, 1713
Marriage 7 Feb 1713 of Joes Schirmer, miller, widower from Herschfeld, to Barbara Schneider from Buchbach
What exactly does the beginning of the entry say? I'm trying to make sense of this.
"matrimonio conjunctus in filiali S. Antoni Abbatus non ex jure quidem"
- they were married ... not even by law
here's the link to the whole page
https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/deutschland/bamberg/windheim-st-nikolaus/M3%252F38/?pg=53
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Hello @Gina Palmer,
The first part of the phrase "matrimonio conjunctus in filiali S. Antoni Abbatus" means that the couple married in the church of St. Anthony the Abbott in Hirschfeld which was a daughter (branch) church of the Catholic parish church in Windheim.
Here is the link for Hirschfeld from Meyers Gazetteer: https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/10801048
Click on the "Ecclesiastical" link and note that Hirschfeld has one Catholic church and Windheim has one Catholic parish church.
I, too, am puzzled by the phrase "non ex jure quidem."
When you translate the entire record you get:
joined in marriage in the daughter church of St. Anthony the Abbot not by right indeed by the honorable Johann Schirmer, a miller and widower of Hirschfeld, with the chaste virgin Barbara Schneider, the legitimate daughter of the honorable Johann of Buchbach.
Let's see if others have any thoughts on this.
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Thank you @Robert Seal_1
The reason "S. Antoni Abbatus" has me stumped is because the branch church in Hirschfeld is called Maria Heimsuchung. I'm wondering if it was initially called St. Anthony the Abbot, since other entries in the parish record (all for Hirschfeld) occasionally reference the filial St. Antoni Abbatus. The branch church St. Lorenz is mentioned in entries for Buchbach, which fits.
Perhaps the puzzling phrase has to do with how soon widower Johann remarried. His wife and two children died in 1-6 Sept 1712 of an unknown disease (the lived at the mill), and he remarried on 7 Feb 1713. Was their a rule regarding how soon one could remarry? (seems like one year would be appropriate)
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Hi Gina,
I thought the same that at one point in time the filial church in Hirschfeld was called Saint Anthony the Abbot.
I am not familiar with remarriage in the Catholic Church and how soon it would be appropriate for a widower/widow to remarry, or whether there was even a rule about this.
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In Belgium , if i see a case like this , it would be very tempting to assume that the bride is_Underaged_but a marriage was the thing to do in case of pregnancy,... or secondary; married in the church only , not formalised by law at the civil desk.I have really no idea about the customs/laws in Germany.
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