Liesberg - marriage - 1785 - Meyer | Bockstall
Can someone please identify the parish of the bride (Maria Anna Bockstall)? Looks like "Risklings"
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Heureka!
The next village to the east of Vicques is called Recolaine which translates to the German Riklingen, according to Wikipedia: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicques_JU (see last section under ‚Geographie‘).
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First of all: congratulations on your discussion title 😁!
I read Ricklingen - but the only Ricklingen I find at first sight is in Hannover (Germany).
According to https://hls-dhs-dss.ch/famn/?lg=e Bockstal have been citizens of Courchavon (then canton Bern, today Jura) - just a vague guess: could Ricklingen be the German name of a hamlet in that parish, which today is only known under a French name?
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The web page on the history of the commune of Courchavon (https://courchavon-mormont.ch/decouvrir/portrait/historique/, unfortunately in French only) might contain a hint for WSeelentag's consideration. There it says that Courchavon ceded the forest "Rougeules" in 1780.
I did not find this field name anywhere on the topographic map (https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=de&topic=ech&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farbe&layers=ch.swisstopo.zeitreihen,ch.bfs.gebaeude_wohnungs_register,ch.bav.haltestellen-oev,ch.swisstopo.swisstlm3d-wanderwege&layers_opacity=1,1,1,0.8&layers_visibility=false,false,false,false&layers_timestamp=19601231,,,&E=2570590.55&N=1254413.05&zoom=9.5), but I have the impression that Rougeules and Ricklingen are phonetically close to each other. Maybe there is someone at the local municipality who knows more?
Another hint could be given by the first word in the third bottom line. It stands for the name of the parish in which Recklingen is located (Maria Anna Bockstal ex loco Ricklingen Parochio .... = Maria Anna Bockstal from the village Ricklingen in the parish of ....)
By the way, the wedding took place on May 1, 1787 (Anno Domini Millesimo Septingentesimo octogesimo septimo, Die prima Maij).
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Rougeules doesn't seem to be too far fetched.
I had noticed the "parochio" - but could not make any sense of the following 🤔.
If you (clarkstuart) agree I could ask on https://www.geneal-forum.com/, where we would have a larger audience of local people ... or you would be welcome to post there yourself. What do you think?
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After some thought, I must confess that my assumption above is sheer nonsense. Rougeules can be translated as 'rubella' or 'redness', which is not so close to Ricklingen after all. But there is another possible interpretation:
According to the Courchavon website, the village was under the administration of Courtedoux (https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=de&topic=ech&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farbe&layers=ch.swisstopo.zeitreihen,ch.bfs.gebaeude_wohnungs_register,ch.bav.haltestellen-oev,ch.swisstopo.swisstlm3d-wanderwege&layers_opacity=1,1,1,0.8&layers_visibility=false,false,false,false&layers_timestamp=19601231,,,&E=2571584.79&N=1252635.85&zoom=6.569018752439444) from 1781 to 1793. Northeast of Courtedoux there is an area called 'En Rouge Terre'. This can be translated as 'In red soil' and is thus much more logical.
I tried other spellings and found Richlingen near Rheinklingen. It is in the middle between Stein am Rhein and Diessenhofen in the canton of Thurgau. Unfortunately a bit far away from Liesberg. Just speculating again....
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Thanks to you both for your insights - - and marriage date correction.
That Maria may have been part of the Bockstal families in the Courchavon area makes logistical sense to me since it’s in the realm of a reasonable travel distance between there and Liesberg. I’ve looked at a few antique maps but have not had any success in finding any hamlet of Ricklingen or anything phonetically close.
Another Liesberg parish record (attached here) - - the baptism record for their daughter Catharina in 1788 - - has somewhat clearer penmanship, with the godmother’s village noted as Rickligen and the parish as Vique (?).
If you feel there would be a benefit to posting the question on a different board, please do so.
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There is indeed a village called Vicques, east of Delsberg (Delémont) and not too far from Liesberg:
I will check it out tomorrow!
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"If you feel there would be a benefit to posting the question on a different board, please do so."
Now that Daniel most likely has found the parish, if not (yet) the village (BTW - I would read Richligen in the baptismal entry) it depends how much effort you want to spend. I would recommend you post yourself: as author you would be notified automatically as soon as a response is posted.
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Congratulations !
This has lead me to a source I had known existed, but hadn't used for ages: https://hls-dhs-dss.ch/ghh/index.php?lg=d
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Fantastic! Thank you so much!
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