Need suggestions for where to look for the birth records for Joseph(Josef) and Victoria Vichniski Ra
All census records list POB as Austria. They were Catholic.
He died before he could serve in the military or apply for naturalization and citizenship. Have research their children and neighbors.He was born c 1853; she in 1866. They had at least one child before they immigrated separately.
Bottom line, no town or village name has been identified so far. (hopeless?) Looking for advice of where to look next.
답변들
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We would love to help direct you. Do you have a database anywhere? What port did they leave from?
Betseylee Browning
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He left from Bremen on the ship Dresden, arrived in NY May 32 1892. His age is listed as 42 , from Austria. on way to Pa.
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Have you entered what you know on the FamilySearch database? Do you have a database somewhere that I can view the sources on?
Betseylee
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I'm not sure what you are asking, but I have no tree for this family on familysearch or Ancestry. I have just started to look for their origin.
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Your research is still in US preliminary research. The records in Europe are on a parish level so knowing the place of origin precisely is crucial. In order to see what US sources you are missing, it would be good to put the info and sources you have already on the FamilySearch Family Tree so not only we can view it but others who might be related. There are other fringe benefits because I would be able to look in FamilySearch Historical records, Ancestry and MyHeritage using Family Tree on FamilySearch quickly and easily. US preliminary research includes: vital, military, US church records, immigration, naturalization, all available US state and federal census records, obits, sexton's records from cemetery, tombstone plus others that we can explore.
Betseylee Browning
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You are correct. As I said in my first message, I have exhausted the US records and have not been able to locate the exact place of origin which I am aware is absolutley essential.
Of all the databases you mentioned, the only one i am weak in is their church records. I will work on that next.
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I have solved numerous records using church records especially marriage and death records. There are other sources such as county histories. It would be helpful for us to be able to see the sources to analyze the info. Usually a second set of eyes is a good thing. For example, if it had been the port of Hamburg we could have searched the Hamburg Passenger Lists with provides the last place of residence. But I had to ask the question, where if I could see your sources I could have determined that.
It would help to have it on FamilySearch even if it is estimated years because I would be able to access other databases that might have more sources quickly and easily. Also, I might see some matches for the person within the database.
Did they have any other family members that immigrated?
Betseylee Browning
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You mentioned that he died without having applied for naturalization and citizenship but that he had a child before immigrating. Have you looked into a naturalization application for that child? That could be another route.
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Great suggestion. I am working on that now. Name changes make it a challenge, but I am plugging along.
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One time I found the place of birth of Franz Anton Neuhäuser in Google under A. Neuhaüser and it was a book written by a neighbor in which he told the birthplace of Kückelheim Germany. So experiment with Google.
Betseylee
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Believe me, I use advanced google search early on and found two helpful obituaries that way. By now, you may have guessed that I have been doing this for a while,(about 20 years). However, I do learn new tips practically everyday. Thank you for still brainstorming with me.
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You probably have done this already but find all the records you can for the child such as obituary, military, death certificate. Even a Social Security application can have a birthplace.
Betseylee Browning
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Good idea. The immigrant died before SS but I will try for the children born in the old country who lived long enough to file for it. Just learned from a descendant that they spoke Luthenian. Have to learn more about this.
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Ruthenian, surely? No such thing as Luthenian, but Ruthenian, also called Rusyn or Ruthene, is a Slavic language closely related to Ukrainian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusyn_language). (There's the usual political kerfluffle over dialect versus language.)
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Sorry, I meant Ruthenian.
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Found the name of a place on the last child's immigration...Tarnow. Where would I locate records for this place?
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There are probably more than one:
From Wikipedia: Tarnów (Polish pronunciation: [ˈtarnuf] (listen); Silesian: Tarnůw) is a city in southeastern Poland with 109,062 inhabitants[1] and a metropolitan area population of 269,000 inhabitants. The city is situated in the Lesser Poland Voivodeship since 1999. From 1975 to 1998, it was the capital of the Tarnów Voivodeship. It is a major rail junction, located on the strategic east–west connection from Lviv to Kraków, and two additional lines, one of which links the city with the Slovak border. Tarnów is known for its traditional Polish architecture, which was strongly influenced by foreign cultures and foreigners that once lived in the area, most notably Jews, Germans and Austrians.[2] The entire Old Town, featuring 16th century tenements, houses and defensive walls, has been fully preserved. Tarnów is also the warmest city of Poland, with the highest long-term mean annual temperature in the whole country.[3]
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Go to the FamilySearch Card Catalog and do a place search. There are more possibilities.
Betseylee
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Geography[edit]
Main article: Ruthenia
From the 9th century, the main Rus' state, which was known later as Kievan Rus' – and is now part of the modern states of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia – was known in Western Europe by a variety of names derived from Rus'. From the 12th century, the land of Rus' was usually known in Western Europe by the Latinised name Ruthenia.[citation needed]
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Any luck in finding the correct Tarnów?
Betseylee
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If they're from Galicia, then there is only one place called Tarnów (https://www.geshergalicia.org/galician-town-locator/), however in addition to being the name of a city, it's also the name of a district.
From the FamilySearch Catalog -- https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=60344&query=%2Bplace%3A%22Austria%2C%20Galizien%2C%20Tarn%C3%B3w%20(Tarn%C3%B3w)%22&subjectsOpen=555399-50
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