Help Deciphering Record from German Lutheran Church
Couple of questions that I need assistance with:
- In the attached document is a symbol that I am not familiar with. It's the one shaped like a "plus sign" but has bars at the end of each horizontal and vertical line. It appears in several places.
- In several places there appears a term that appears to be "tot". It appears in the 3rd and 8th records.
- Lastly, the 3rd records (individual) has 3 dates listed--birth and death are easily identified, but I can't determine what the 3rd date is all about; the date is 7 August 1890. One indexer listed it as a marriage date, but it falls after the listed death date of 7 May 1885.
I'm also including a link to the site of the original. I haven't entered any of this into FamilySearch yet--pending the determination of what the dates are for--and there aren't any PIDs yet.
Thanks,
Clark
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tot. is short for tote, meaning died/dead.
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ad 1.: the symbol is a sign for death; it can mean "died" or "death date". In record #3 the term "+ or +*" means "dead or stillborn", unclear, however, whom it refers to.
ad 2.: tot means "dead"
ad 3.: It is unclear to me what type of listing this is. From the printed headings it is intended to be a list of children (Kinder) with their baptismal sponsors (Pate) and their spouses (Gatte/Gattin). The dates and locations should be for birth (*), death (+), and marriage (∞). It seems only partly used this way.
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@A van Helsdingen Thanks.
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@Ulrich Neitzel Thanks. That is a great help. I failed to mention that it was a page from Ansbach Parish Lutheran Church Records. Your defining record #3 info as stillborn could potentially identify that as an infant of that couple. The church records would list parent (Dad and Mom) on a separate page, then list children on the subsequent page; those children would then be listed with spouses as parents on following pages. I appreciate your help.
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Hello @WilbergClarkN,
I am familiar with these Ansbach parish records having used them extensively in the past. The sheet with the children was designed for up to eight children. If a couple had more than eight children the scribe would frequently start recording them on available blank lines on the same page as opposed to starting a new page. So the stillborn child in the third record born 7 August 1890 is an additional child of this couple. This also appears to be the case in the eighth record.
Also note at the bottom of this page there are two more children for this couple:
Johann Mathias who died on 20 Oct 1893.
Anna Barbara who died on 16 July 1887.
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@Robert Seal_1 Thank you! That is extremely valuable information to me. I was considering those stillborn children to be part of the couple they are adjacent to in the record; would have been a HUGE mistake for me. I feel very comfortable and confident that I can now associate children with proper parents. Your information also resolve what I had perceived as a conflict in record #3. Thanks again!
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You're welcome, @WilbergClarkN.
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