Need help with early 1700's record
The family is Anders Johansson and Bryta or Brita Jonsdotter. I have an early record before children. The book is split into two parts. This is them in the first half.
There is a register for the second half but the farm does not have a page number and I can't find them. The farm is Lönnhöjden. Is there a reason why the farm would be listed in the first half of the book but not in the second? I am trying to find record of their two oldest children on a household record. Brita, born 11 September 1713 and Brita, born 27 June 1715. I also have a death record for a child but no name is given on 27 April 1718.
The first household book covers up to 1721 and the next one begins in 1727.
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The second book you showed are the book of birth & baptism. It doesn't distinguish between small places, but lists chronologically the birth & baptism of the whole "sokn/forsämling".
They do appear in the next Husförhör:
Grythyttans kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/ULA/10337/A I a/2 (1727-1740):
Source (bild 69/ sida 107) have them in Lönnhöjden. See top left.
Joen Påhlvsson [död 1734] -> possibly that father of Brita Joensdotter.
Anders Johansson.
Brÿta Joensdotter [the "ÿ" or "ij" likely just denotes a long I sound, [in english spelling convention Breeta]
dotter: Ingva
son: Johan
son: Jonas.
son: Andres
dotter: Brÿta
dotter: Maria.
dotter: Stina.
Source (bild 69/ sida 107): https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0000527_00069#?c=&m=&s=&cv=68&xywh=-179%2C433%2C4213%2C2271
This is the one you need for baptisms 1713 & 1715: [you gave the link to birth & baptisms 1718-1737]
Grythyttans kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/ULA/10337/C I/1 (1699-1715).
Source: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0000545_00009#?c=&m=&s=&cv=8&xywh=-277%2C-318%2C7264%2C3916
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EDIT: "Joen Pährsson. Död 1734, 1. Januar" it says for the likely father of Brÿta Joensdotter!
Joen & Jon are spelling variants....
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The first link I have above is Ander Johansson and Brita listed on the left side of the page, second group. They are shown with no children. They are living in Lönnhöjden which the register shows as page 61.
There is another register in the book which shows the farm but does not give a page number. Where are they found in this portion of the book? This is the connecting record I am trying to find.
As you showed they are found in the following book here. The birth book shows children born 11 September 1713 - Brita and 27 June 1715 - Brita. Neither of these children are listed on this household record but the Bryta who is shown was born 28 March 1726.
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It was typical if a child died, you would name the next child of the same gender the same name. So it makes sense that the later Husförhör (1727-1740) only have the youngest (and living Brita) listed.
So if they had a Brita born in 1726 it would suggest that the Brita born 1713 and 1715 had both died!
In the 1698-1721 last portion of the book the register gives no page number for Lönnhöjden, so maybe they simply weren't registred [Lund is on page 56 as the registre says, but Lönnhöjden isn't]. I tried to look through it and found no entry for Lönnhöjden.
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@Niels Just Rasmussen I am working off of that tradition. I have been able to find one death record on 27 April 1718. There was no name given on that death record though or age so I don't know which child died. There is a gap in the birth records, 1716-1717 there are no records, I think one of them must have died in that gap.
I know this is the challenge with records especially in this time period but I do keep hoping that I will be able to find something that will complete the records. :)
Thank you for your willingness to walk through this with me.
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It is very frustrating when you have gaps in the church records. Furthermore the church records and "husförhör" for Grythyttan at that point in time are "shockingly" bad, when the priests doesn't even give name nor age of the diseased. [at least the priests handwriting is readable].
Sometimes the father is even just called the first name without a patronym!
The 2. February 1713 we just have "Anders" dead son Olof and another "Anders" stillborn girl - they are only distinguished by being from 2 different localities.
Yet if you had one Brita born in 1713 and another in 1715, then the first Brita must have died before 1715!
So it is likely the second Brita who dies in 1718.
Sadly it seems that burials for 1714 are totally missing -> It jumps for baptisms in August 1714 directly to baptisms in May 1715, so some pages are clearly missing (it had happened, before the printet numbers was added).
Source (bild 88/ sida 70): https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0000545_00088#?c=&m=&s=&cv=87&xywh=-405%2C6%2C7822%2C4329
NB: We have a burial of Anders Johansen dotter Maria from Lånhögden [must be Lönnhöjden] the 22. September 1713, so they also produced a Maria at least twice [Husförhör 1727-1740 records one].
[Weird the change with two different ways of writing capital A and the 9. Oktober (same page) he writes the patronym Anders[son with a small initial a-]
Source (bild 87/ sida 69 second entry top left): https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0000545_00087#?c=&m=&s=&cv=86&xywh=-91%2C-65%2C3770%2C2086
OR the priests got the names mixed up and this is the first Brita?!
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You likely already found it, but for reference:
Marriage 21. September 1712 Grythyttan.
Anders Johansson i från ?Kråpa? Sochn [= Sokn = parish] och Brita Jons dotter från Lönhögden.
Source (bild 69/ sida 57): https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0000545_00069#?c=&m=&s=&cv=68&xywh=802%2C1591%2C3137%2C1736
NB: So Anders Johansson is from another parish than Brita Jonsdotter -> but it was also the custom to be married in the Bride's home parish.
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Thank you so much for your help and insights. I have found it is very helpful to have someone to talk through records with and with these records especially.
I was working with a patron yesterday in the early 1800's and she said the records were hard to read but I knew from experience that they were not as bad as they could be. It is a huge blessing to be able to read the records. Thanks again for helping me.
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