Marriage record
Hello could anyone explain what is happening in the last two columns of the first record?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-8BTS-SP4?i=657&cc=1554443&cat=1061444
Should be the third and last marriage of my ancestor Josephus Dobiáš (if I have the correct person). This marriage occurs just 4 months after his 2nd wife's passing (26 jan 1875, Karolina Duda) who he also married only 3 months after the passing of his first wife (22 feb 1843, Katarina Belicza).
I'm also adding his death record, can't really read the cause of death and also wondering about the note in the address column.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-LBRR-5C9?i=133&cat=1061444
If someone is willing to do a bit of digging to help me confirm this is all the same Josephus I'd be thrilled but I'd also be very thankful for the translations.
Marriage of Josephus to Katarina Belicza (page 2; 7): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9BTS-SVS?i=28&cc=1554443&cat=1061444
Katarina's death (6): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9BTS-38L?i=89&cc=1554443&cat=1061444
Marriage of Josephus to Karolina Duda (2): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9BTS-SGG?i=37&cc=1554443&cat=1061444
Death of Karolina (1): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-LBTS-STF?i=412&cc=1554443&cat=1061444
Marriage of Josephus to Maria Knazé again (4): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-8BTS-SP4?i=657&cc=1554443&cat=1061444
Death of Josephus again (56): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-LBRR-5C9?i=133&cat=1061444
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4. 10th May 1875.
Groom: Josephus Dobiáss, farmer, place of origin Koloss, residence Koloss, Roman Catholic, age 58, widower, parents Josephus Dobiass farmer, Anna Meszjare, RC
Bride: Maria Knazé, origin Hradistye, residence Kolacsno, RC, age 42, widow, parents Joannes Knazé farmer, Anna ??ján RC
Witnesses: Fabianus Spissak, farmer, RCath, Petrus Král farmer, RCath.
Officiant: Adamus Biringer parson.
Announced thrice.
Observations: bride dismissed by the parson of N. Ugrócz.
56. 1884 18th Oct.
Josephus Dobiáss (Maszaré) senior, husband of Maria Knazé, farmer, RC
Origin and residence: Koloss, ditto [not clear if that means Koloss or Hradistye]
male, age 67
cause: weakness [marasmus]
last rites: provided
Burial: Koloss, 19th October, in its proper place? [I think the sense of it is basically "in his hometown", based on the use of manu propria for "(signed) by one's own hand"]
born 1817 Feb. 21.
17 June 1832
Honest youth Josephus Maszaree, age 16 [yikes!], with likewise honest maiden Catharina Beliczee, age 17.
Witnesses: Josephus Knazeje and Andreas Palcsek.
Place of marriage: Koloss.
1843 Feb. 22. Katalin Belicza, wife of Jozsef Dobiass, commoner, Koloss
Age 26 years
Cause: heart palpitations
Provided with the usual rites
Burial: common cemetery of Koloss, by Balint Cservényi, parson of Koloss
1843 21 May. József Maszáreje Dobiás, widower, commoner; Karolina Duda, single, commoner, Rom. Cath., residence Koloss
Witnesses: Miklós Hlavacska, József Bacsek, commoners
Officiant: Bálint Cservényi, parson of Koloss
announced thrice
1. 1875 26th January
Carolina Duda wife of Josephus senior Dobiass farmer RC
Koloss
female, age ?6
[next image:] cause: tuberculosis
last rites: provided
Burial: Koloss, 28th January
Officiant: Adamus Biringer, parson of Koloss
born 1819 Dec. 20.
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If that birthdate on his death record is correct, then he was actually 15 at his first wedding. Was their first child "early"?
It sure looks like all the same Joseph to me.
People often remarried very quickly: men because they needed a woman to take care of the children and to cook and clean, women because they needed a source of income/food/support.
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Hi thank you!
Yes the birthdate is correct, I found his baptism record here https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-8BRY-98Z8?i=500&cc=1554443&cat=1061444, he is the very last record. I'm loving working with the Koloss record books, they offer such great information and go far back and even a bit to the 20th century.
I'm only doubting a bit because Dobiáš was a very common last name at this place and even the added Maszaré/Maszareje is not helping because around the time he was marrying his third wife, there were two other Josephs' with the same last name marrying women with the last name Knazé. Thankfully they both seemed a lot younger than my Joseph.
About his children... The first child that I found is my direct descendant, Casparus, here, on top: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9BRY-98NR?i=655&cc=1554443&cat=1061444, 2 and half years after the wedding. I even checked couple months before the wedding but found nothing.
And yes, I had people marry soon after losing their spouse but this Joseph of mine seemed to really hurry both times :D
EDIT: Now I'm thinking... Maybe there was a child on the way but didn't make it? As in an earlier miscarriage? Because why on Earth would you marry off your 15 y.o.?
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a story of family drama and heartbreak in there. I skimmed through the baptisms from 1832 to Casparus, just looking at fathers named Joseph, and there's an Eva born in December 1832 to Joseph Bujna and Catharina Belicza, but they're in Hradistye, so that must be a different Catharina. (But she may be worth investigating.)
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I already looked into this couple (Joseph Bujna and Catharina Belicza) because I actually got confused by the record under Eva - Adamus Maszarec. My mind somehow did not comprehend his father is Joannes (not Joseph) at first and I thought I found something and that maybe they were confused and switched the mothers (with Eva) but then I looked into Eva's parents and they have plenty of children together dating from 1832 to 1846 and they got married here, record 5 on the first page; Nov 1829
I also investigated a bit into Joseph Dobiáš' family and found out his father died just a few months before Joseph's wedding in March 1832 and his mother Anna (with small children)... disappeared from the records? I went through 10 or so years and I didn't find her dying nor marrying anyone else in the Koloss records. Maybe she moved? Wondering if his father's death had anything to do with the decision to marry him off so young?
Also looks like marrying super young runs in the family. These are Joseph's parents (6th record). It says the bride was 15 years old but when I looked through the baptism records I only found this Anna Maszare, June 1788 which would make her only 14! years old. Yet her first child, Stephen was born 4 and half years after the wedding in July 1807. Of course, the June 1788 could just be the date of her baptism and maybe she was born a year or more earlier but I haven't really come across that in these records. There was always only a difference of a couple of days between birth and baptism.
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Disappearing from the records is most readily explained by moving elsewhere, but then why the hasty wedding for her teenaged son? Or was she leaving him the house, and felt he needed to be married to be a proper homeowner?
Or maybe they married off their teenagers to prevent illegitimate children? It wouldn't matter how much they fooled around if they were all already married....
And no, in this time and place they emphatically never waited more than a few days with a baptism. They believed that anyone who died unbaptized could not get into Heaven, and it was a basic fact of life that babies died.
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