Church records and archives?
Finding an Evangelische German church record, one must locate the parish church where it originated, then locate the archive in which that precious record book or microfilmed copy, is housed today. Obviously, if using a FHL or Archion.de microfilm, we cite that with reference to the location within the microfilm (p. #, entry no. etc.). But! we also should cite the church and/or parish.....so where is that info to be found?!
Thanks much, Bonnie
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@bonniesamuel1 do you have an example of a record you're trying to find this information from? On Archion, the church is listed near the top of the page; it's the second-to-last blue listing.
On FamilySearch, copy the DGS number (listed as Film # in the top left corner).
Then search for it in the Catalog, it'll show you which church it's listed under.
The Catalog page for that DGS number states that it's from the Evangelische Kirche (that is, the Protestant parish of) Schlaitdorf.
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Thank you, Charlotte. that helps!
One that I have trouble with is Lennep which itself is a parish. On Archion, one can look through films labeled Westfalen: or Ludenscheid-Plettenburg. I presume I'm missing something.
My relatives stayed in the same area from early 1600s to 1890s which includes Lennep, Elberfeld, Immecke (Bergisches Land), a farm colony named Windfuhr, Huckeswagon.... really amazing to us who wander far and wide!
Appreciate the help, Charlotte.
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Bonnie, My Scholl relatives can be traced in Graben Germany from 1610 to today. They all come from a single ancestor. We visited the cemetery in Graben in 2019 and still found the same names that are listed in the 1600s in the cemetery. People didn't move like we do. For a person to move they often needed the permission of the pastor and permission from the local guild. The new pastor/kirche needed to take responsibility for the person who moved. A study was done in the 1990s and they found only 3% of Germans moved. People stayed put for a number or reasons: jobs, difficulty traveling, citizenship in the town, ownership of property etc. Kent
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Wow, I'm interested in reading more about that study, @Kent Gardiner! Do you have a link to information about it online?
You're welcome, @bonniesamuel1. When it comes to Lennep specifically, those records are not on Archion.
You can see which parishes are on Archion by using the (1) browse or the (2) search. I usually check the search, as it's simpler to plug in a parish name and see whether anything comes up. MeyersGaz shows that Immecke belonged to the Protestant parish of Plettenberg; those records are on Archion (when searching for Plettenberg on Archion, look for the parish, which is listed last in the breadcrumbs). Elberfeld records are also on Archion.
Lennep records are, however, on FamilySearch. At familysearch.org, click on Search and Catalog, and then type Lennep into the place search and select "Germany, Preußen, Rheinland, Lennep, Lennep." Click on the church records heading, where you'll see four different listings, one of which is 1654-1884 Protestant Lennep church records.
In your message to me, you wrote you're looking specifically for the death record of Johann Peter Windfuhr, who died 3 February 1785 in Lennep. The 1785 Lennep death records would be on one or both of these microfilms, which are listed in the "Kirchenbuch, 1654-1884" collection in the Catalog. You would want to browse through both until you find the 1785 deaths.
From browsing through the images, I found that a Lennep marriage and death book for 1751-1769 starts on image 218 of the first microfilm I've shown above (I also browsed the second microfilm and found 1785 deaths there, but they didn't include his record). It's unclear where that book ends, but I found Johann Peter Windfuhr's death listed at the bottom of the left page on image 285; his death is recorded as entry 8 and states:
On the 5th of February [1785] was buried Johann Peter Windfuhr, born 10 May 1734 in the parish of Meinertzhagen [Meinerzhagen]. His parents were Herman Jacob Windfuhr and Anna Catharina born Sönchen. He entered into holy matrimony (a) with the deceased Catharina Elis[abeth](?) born Bisterfeldt, with whom he lived together for 8 years [see linked 2 August 1761* marriage record, entry 14 on the left page, which lists Johannes as the son of Heermann Windführ and as marrying Anna Margaretha Glaubenskler, widow of Henricus Voss of Haasenberg (Hasenberg); see Henricus Voss's 17 October 1758 burial record, entry 74, which states that he was married twice, (1) with Anna Margaretha Clarenbach for 14 years, with whom he had 7 children (4 sons and 3 daughters, of which 1 son and 1 daughter still live) and (2) with Anna Margaretha Glaubenskler for 27 years, with whom he had 5 children (2 sons and 3 daughters, of which 1 son and 3 daughters as well as the mother were still living); he was 67 years and 4 months old] and raised together 4 children--2 sons and 2 daughters--of which 1 son still lives. After the death of the first wife, he lived for 1 year in widowerhood. (b) [married] with Anna Maria born Reininghauss in the year 1769 on the 26th of December [sic; see linked marriage record, entry 29, which states they married on 27 December 1768, and which lists Anna Maria's father as being from Mühlenberg in the parish of Radevormwald], with whom he lived together for 16 years, 1 month, and 14 days, and had 6 children--2 sons and 4 daughters--of which 1 son and 2 daughters are still living. Died on the 3rd, early in the morning between 1 and 2 o'clock. Age: 50 years, 7 months, 3 weeks, and 3 days. Died of a strong chest fever/pneumonia (starck Brustfieber).
(* The 2 August marriage record is from 1761; 1761 begins on the previous page and is repeated at the top of the page the marriage record is on; even though the next page says 1759, this is how I know the marriage in question took place in 1761: The marriage entry states it took place on 2 August and XI post Trinitatis--and 11 p. Trinitatis was on 2 August in 1761, indicating that's the correct year.)
Although Johann Peter Windfuhr's birth date is listed as 10 May 1734, a date calculator based on his death date and age puts his birth date as being on 10 June 1734. In the 1733-1735 Meinerzhagen baptismal records, there is only one Johann Peter Windfuhr's birth listed--namely, that of Johan Peter, twin of Johannes Wilhelmus, both born and baptized on 2 June 1735, sons of Herman Windfuhr (the mother's name is not listed). I think his age at death was just off by one year.
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Charlotte Noelle Champenois Hi, I took a class from Larry Jensen at BYU before Covid. He stated that he had done some research while working at the SL FHL and found that only 3% of Germans moved from their original towns. One of the reasons was that the pastor of the birth town had to ok a move to another pastor's area. The new pastor took responsibility for the new person in case he/she had trouble making a go of it in the new area. I don't have a reference but here is a little from a book by Larry:
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I am only familiar with one area, Versmold Westphalia. But from what I have seen, tradesmen usually did not remain in their home village. They usually moved to a different village.
Marriages were not always between people of the same town. It was usually a very close town, unless one family had connections to a different place.
Also, sometimes the place and/or year was not listed on every page. You have to go back several pages to the beginning of the section/year in order to find it. For a time, the church year seems to have started in mid November, so the year is not listed before the first January entry, but in the middle of the November entries.
Be very cautious about using the place names indexed by Family Search. I have seen entire volumes assigned to the same place, even though each entry clearly states a unique place. The place indexed to all entries is not necessarily one of the places the records pertain to.
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Cheryl Viering Hi, I am totally on the same page with you in regards to indexing place problems. I have spend a lot of time looking at Graben records. Even though the label on the film itself says Graben indexing sometimes says the person was born/married or died in Spöck. Two completely different locations. These errors creep into FamilySearch resulting in confusion. To be sure the location of a person's records you must go back to the label on the film as seen below.
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