Marriage Processitti Domenico Mirabelli and Maria Nunnaro

Harleynut97

Dominico and Maria were married in 1817 in the town of Dipignano, Italy

The Grooms parents were Saverio Mirabelli and Antonia Ajello (Apello)

The Brides parents were Giuseppe (Joseph) Nunnaro and his wife (still working on her name). There was some confusion on the name of her father, her death record said his name was Antonio. But doesn't look that way from her baptism extract.

https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.it/detail-registry/?s_id=35963435

1) It begins with the baptism extract of Dominico Mirabelli - IMAGE 9 . I think he was born in 1782. Could I get some help with the correct baptism date? Also curious if gives any information on the parents place of origin?

2) Baptism Extract of Maria Antonia Nunnaro IMAGE 10 -Again I could use some help with the baptism date ? -Also trying to confirm if her mothers name was Pina(?) Guido? -Not sure if there is any mention of the parents place of origin?

3) Death Extract of Saverio Mirabelli IMAGE 11 -Would like to confirm his death date? -Would also like to find out if they give his parents names?

4) Finally what I believe is the Death extract of Joseph Nunnaro IMAGE 12 -Would like to confirm his death date? I was looking to see if his wife's name is mentioned? Does the record name any parents names?

As always, thanks for any help you can offer - Carl

joseph99929

Image 9 (baptism of the groom): Laurignano, Dipignano, 13 Feb 1782 ... baptized child born last night to Saverio Mirabelli and Antonia Aiello, married, from this parish, whom they named Domenico Bruno

Image 10 (baptism of the bride): Laurignano, Dipignano, 26 Feb 1792 ... baptized child born yesterday to Giuseppe Nunnaro and Rosa Guido, married, from this parish, whom they named Maria Antonia

Image 11 (death of the groom's father): Laurignano, Dipignano, 25 Jan 1793, Saverio Mirabelli, husband of Antonia Aiello, from this parish, aged about 34, died

Image 12 (death of the bride's mother, not father): Laurignano, Dipignano, 9 Mar 1804, Rosa Guido, wife of Giuseppe Nunnaro, from this parish, aged about 30, died

It's very uncommon for church deaths to give parents' names, but it's not impossible.

Harleynut97

@joseph99929 Thank you once again...so helpful. I believe there are some older church records in the town of Dipignano/ Laurignano so going to check. But first I need to search for the marriage record of Dominco Porco (Porto) and Nicolina Pellegrino ( That could be in one of 3 places Carolei / Cosenza / Rende)

Thanks again for your great translations of these extracts - Carl

joseph99929

@Harleynut97 Indeed, the pre-1800 church records for Laurignano are online on Antenati, so you can take advantage of that! It appears there were a lot of losses though, but you should hopefully still be able to find some interesting things.

The original baptism records of your 2 ancestors are here: https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.it/detail-registry/?s_id=35963384 on page 34 and 56 respectively. It turns out that Maria Nunnaro was baptized the 25th (and born the 24th). They made a mistake transcribing the record in the processetti.

Harleynut97

Thanks for the clarification and the links to the original baptism. I should be able to find additional records, but tonight I'm kind of tired. Thanks - Carl

Harleynut97

@joseph99929 When time allows can you recheck IMAGE 11 (Death extract Saverio (Xaverius) Mirabelli).

I am curious if the death age (34) could have been misread? He died in Jan. 1793 so his birth should be around 1759. I have been checking the church records for his baptism but not having luck. There are a number of Mirabelli's, but can't find him. I'm seeking here.. https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.it/detail-registry/?s_id=35963383

Unfortunately, there are no church marriage records in the 1770-1782 range.

joseph99929

@Harleynut97 Indeed, the age says "triginta quatuor" = 34, but ages on both civil and church deaths are often off by a few years.

Without parents' names and/or a marriage record, it's quite difficult to identify your ancestor's birth record with certainty. There is always a risk that there was more than 1 person born in town with the same or similar names, as well as a risk that the person was actually from another town (which the marriage record would have told you). At the minimum, you will need to broaden your search to cover all possible birth years, I'd say 1745 to 1765 to be safe, and see what you're able to conclude. That said, it's probably not possible to proceed with 100% certainty in any case.

On the other hand, with the groom's mother and bride's father still alive in 1817, you should be able to find their civil deaths which will name their parents, so for those two lines, you should be able to proceed back with much greater certainty.

Harleynut97

I did find this in 1858... There is a francesco Xaverius Mirabelli https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.it/detail-registry/?s_id=35963383. The main part of the record is on Image 82 (top left) but actually begins on image 81 at the very bottom right.

I believe the father was named Dominico Mirabelli, but can you confirm the mothers name? Also maybe confirm the baptism date.

Again there is no way to prove this is him and I am going to take your additional search recommendations - Carl

joseph99929

@Harleynut97 8 Mar 1758 ... child born last night to Domenico Mirabelli and Chiara Iovino[?], married, from this parish, whom they named Francesco Saverio

Harleynut97

@joseph99929 Thanks for translation. I did go back and forward a number of years and did not find another Saverio Mirabelli, but still have it marked as unconfirmed, until I can find some other tie in.

Let me show you two other documents regarding the birth/baptism of Rosa Guido. She died in 1804 at the age of 30 which would have put her birth around 1774.

I first found this document while searching for Saverio, but this occurred in 1769 (5 years different)

https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.it/detail-registry/?s_id=35963383 IMAGE 98

I then began searching for her closer to the date of 1774.

https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.it/detail-registry/?s_id=35963384 IMAGE 13

I can't figure out why they would scratch off all this information, particularly her last name in the margin. I could not see a last name of Guido, maybe you could review it closer and let me know your thoughts - Carl

joseph99929

@Harleynut97 In this case, the 1758 birth is very probably correct, it's up to you how much certainty you require for your own personal genealogy interests.

The 1769 birth is for a Rosa daughter of Giuseppe Guido and Marianna Filice

The 1773 birth is very unusual indeed, I can't say I've seen anything like that before. Clearly they wrote out a surname and parents, but then scratched it all out later and replaced it with "incertus parentibus" = "unknown parents", basically a foundling/abandoned child. I can't read any of the stuff that's been removed. If you had the original book in-hand, you could maybe read the original ink, but on this B&W scan, it's completely hopeless.

Harleynut97

@joseph99929 Been a busy day today and haven't gotten much done. I am going to assume the 1758 birth of Francesco Saverio Mirabelli is correct.. at least for now.

The 1769 birth I'm still questioning and will keep it as unconfirmed for now. Thanks for the confirmation of the parent's names.

Hopefully something more to add tomorrow- Carl

Harleynut97

@joseph99929 "On the other hand, with the groom's mother and bride's father still alive in 1817, you should be able to find their civil deaths which will name their parents, so for those two lines, you should be able to proceed back with much greater certainty."

You had mentioned the two parents who were alive at the time of the 1817 marriage. Giuseppe Nunnaro was the bride's father. I was going thru some death records and found this. Giuseppe's original wife is not mentioned in this record, but since his original wife (Rosa Guido) died in 1804 he very well could have remarried and the record is only noting his second wife. The thing that makes me think this could be his death record is the name Dominico Mirabelli which is noted in the top part of the record. he would have been the son in law of Giuseppe Nunnaro. Sadly the parents of Giuseppe Nunnaro are not mentioned. The only way I can think of trying to confirm this is him, is to find a marriage record for him and 2nd wife where his 1st wife would be mentioned.

I was wondering what you think this wife's name is spelled? And any overall thoughts you have.

https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.it/detail-registry/?s_id=35963491 IMAGE 24

joseph99929

@Harleynut97 Since he is age 52 on the 1817 marriage record, being age 60 on this death record does fit nicely. The town of Laurignano is fairly small, so I do think this is probably the correct individual. It's unfortunate they failed to record his birthplace and parents' names. I think the wife is Angela Crescebene but I can't be certain.

It's definitely very common to remarry when a spouse dies at young age. I don't believe I saw church marriages for 1804-1808. Hopefully, the remarriage happened after 1809 so you can get a detailed civil marriage and processetti. Even when the marriage record itself says nothing, the processetti will always include the death certificate of the former spouse, so that would be ideal.