My 5th great grand father was Pierre Joseph Ritte (Petrus) from Tournai. He married Marie Antoinette
I haven't been able to find Pierre´s parents and maybe in the original marriage registry might be included. Do you know if this document is available somewhere? or, do you know who his parents were?
Many thanks in advance.
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Pierre Joseph RitteID LH8H-15Y
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Have you any idea about the parish? there are many..
If you click on the link you can see the correct location in the searchterm
"Belgium , Hainaut, Tournai'
you can unfold the churchbooks by clicking on them , go to the film, (try to find the icon!) its a spool, and then open the year you need.
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Most of the profiles made on igi turned out to be made by only one or two persons, many
are simply different spellings of the same name, all unsourced- wich is strange.
I used it as a lead anyway, but it was difficult to find the parish because there are many,..
After rehashing my strings somewhat, i got several returns for Pierre Joseph Ritte and Pierre Dominique Ritte- in Tournai,parish "Saint Pierre"
This is one of them , confirming Saint Pierre as parish and Pierre Joseph as valid name,altough i left the timeframe's (for now)out of the strings.So the scan on the next webpage left corner above shows the evidence for two terms.
The page owner however mixed up parents and sibling several times, not reliable.
But with the Parish at hand and the name Ritte,i found the death register in Saint Pierre, and your ancestor is in it , with the correct year,in the summarising index
So 1730 under Ritte, book 55?
This should be most of the family.
can you see him?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS13-8CLQ?cat=210965
So , this could be your starting point.
You have the variables now.
Adrie
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Thanks a lot Adrien. I included in my original message three links to the archives in Belgium. The marriage of Joseph Pierre Ritte and Marie Antoniette Faucant was in Saint Jacques and the index and death record for Pierre was in Saint Pierre, both in Tournai. Unfortunately, for the marriage récord I only have the index, but not the record. I wonder if the marriage record book is available somewhere.
I will take a deep look in the links you sent. Maybe there I can find the information I am looking for.
many thanks again.
Roberto Herrera Ritte
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The batch containing Saint Jaques and 1717 should be in this list.
Some catalogue's are shaken up/misplaced.Please bookmark it, i don't store them.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/144559?availability=Family%20History%20Library
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The first link in the header and this are basically the same
(expired) valid link to the file containing the marriage record.
But if the link is old and expired, you cannot acces the correct
filenumber. the correct file number is here
In the unfolding tree , there are to the right 3 eyes,and that is the location of the marriage record.But i do not have any acces to it, as my user has expired, and even so, the collection is not digitized yet , to this level.
They are digitising for the moment.
my advice,screendump the whole page,mark the location of the files and try to locate Saint Jaques and 1717 here above in the previous proposal.
Otherwise,you will have to go to the census here in Tournai and pay for the information.
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These are the contents of marriages of the tree, and precisely the period including 1717 is no included, so I believe either the book does not exist, is missing or has nor been digitalized.
Well, I suppose I have to continue looking for the information.
Many thanks
Roberto
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Well i have to agree for a big part, either the book is pending on a digitising desk,pending on request from a historian/custodian, on path to be filmed/indexed etc, the list extensive...But i had the same idea , after searching the batch.
Took the liberty of omitting some passwords to Rijksarchief Belgie,and they have indexed Pierre and Antoinette,altough i can only show you the scan of the indexed file.I will post it tomorrow, along with the translation.
Adrie
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Many thanks for your help and time!
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Only time for the scan today, translation will be for the next days.I had to compress the scan, as the box here does not allow att'ments bigger than 5 mb,if it is not clear , give me your e-mail adress so i can send directly uncompressed.
Adrie
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My email is rhr2mx@gmail.com
This scan is about Pierre Dominique Joseph Ritte, but We are looking for his father Pierre Joseph
Many Thanks!!
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Roberto,
have you looked in the FamilySearch collection? It appears that you have been using the Belgian National Archive, but not Fs. Is such the case?
The records for St. Jacques are online here:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/144559?availability=Family%20History%20Library
and St. Pierre here:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/210965?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Adrie posted a link to all the FS records for Tournai in an earlier post. So, you can find records from numerous parishes.
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Hi Fritz, thanks for your care.
I found Antoinette Faucant's date of death some minutes ago, in the index concerning Saint Pierre/partially covering Saint Jaques; Film hastag 008409367: image 323 of 375.
This confirms the parish, the book , and the presence of Antoinette,altough the year of death mismatches a year,it looks like sept 7 , i can read the _BRE
of french septembre.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS13-8CBG?cat=210965
and some Ritte's
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS13-8CBG?cat=210965
The squirrels cannot hide for long...
As an aside Fritz, i like to keep the Belgisch Staatsarchief at hand and will probably help Mr Herrera to create a login for himself, ..using mine i found out that they have indexed stashes of Ritte's in Tournai.
He will be able to acces himself for them.
The marriage certificate for Antoinette, however must and will be
hete at Familysearch.
Adrie
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relocated to header--
Hi Fritz, thanks for your care.
I found Antoinette Faucant's date of death some minutes ago, in the index concerning Saint Pierre/partially covering Saint Jaques; Film hastag 008409367: image 323 of 375.
This confirms the parish, the book , and the presence of Antoinette,altough the year of death mismatches a year,it looks like sept 7 , i can read the _BRE
of french septembre.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS13-8CBG?cat=210965
and some Ritte's
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS13-8CBG?cat=210965
The squirrels cannot hide for long...
As an aside Fritz, i like to keep the Belgisch Staatsarchief at hand and will probably help Mr Herrera to create a login for himself, ..using mine i found out that they have indexed stashes of Ritte's in Tournai.
He will be able to acces himself for them.
The marriage certificate for Antoinette, however must and will be
hete at Familysearch.
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Adrie,
good. That is very kind of you to help Mr. Herrera with the Staatsrchief site. We have all benefited from your expertise and help. Thanks so much.
Fritz
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Fritz, thanks a lot for your help. Yes I did look at the FS archives. Those are basically the same as the Belgian Archives.
The problem is that 1717 marriages in St Jacques are only as an Index, but not the images of the Records.
I Will continue sesrching.
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Antoinette Faucant was baptized 29 mar 1695 St Jacques
and her death was on 7sep 1747 in St Pierre
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Actually there is a mistake in the death date. It is not 7 sep 1747 but it is 7 November 1746
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Okay, Mr Herrera, for reasons of clarity i will relocate this part to the header(again)
Hi Fritz, thanks for your care.Etc
I found Antoinette Faucant's date of death some minutes ago, in the index concerning Saint Pierre/partially covering Saint Jaques; Film hastag 008409367: image 323 of 375.
This confirms the parish, the book , and the presence of Antoinette,altough the year of death mismatches a year,it looks like sept 7 , i can read the _BRE
of french septembre.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS13-8CBG?cat=210965
and some Ritte's
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS13-8CBG?cat=210965
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-Given your remark about her date of death, Yes, it could and probably will be
7 Okt,1747, and will explain the _BRE equally as for sept.
It is a difficult case for more than one reason,i think we would make more progress if we filter some critters out.
The pages you posted as a derivative from the Belgian state-archive are all expired sessions, the link travels, but these sessions travel without passwords,and cannot be accessed on other machines.But it shows clearly you have acces to them , possibly via a friend,and apparently French-speaking. If you want to post the content that comes along with these entry's you have to dump them to your printer when accessing,make a scan of the print and store on your desktop as a jpeg(not as a pdf) as Famsearch does not allow att'ments bigger than 5 mb, and attach them here at the box=> to the paperclip left below--
If you have acces yourself would you be so kind to fill in "Ritte" at the free search prompt without other parameters?.Tell me about the result.
Can you post in the answers section itself and not in the reply's, as it becomes rather confusing, and complexity is building up.
Adrie
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At the google earth snapshot of the location of one of the grandsons? (Rue De Chateau)
(Kasteelstraat in Flemish) ; roughly translating as street of the castle , one can see clearly how close l'Eglise Saint Jaques is to the Rue De Chateau, and probably Saint Pierre will be also close to it.
I can see many other churches.
Interesting to find where the Ritte's are clustering,old center of town, close to the Scheldt
Good tool to keep at hand.
Adrie
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I am sorry. It just doesn't let me use “Answer”.
It it shows a notice
Invalid identifier: 0D73A00000BI94r
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I apologize for the inconveniences caused for not knowing the use of the site. When I try to answer, the site shows a notice saying it is expired Invalid Identifier, the I use reply and let me answer.
I am not sure I understand completely your instructions, but I will try.
As far as access to the Belgian Archives, yes indeed I have one account and many of the Belgian records I have are from that site. I don’t speak french, but have learned to read some by reading the records and some words in flemish and german too. My mother language is spanish.
This is what I get when I type Ritte
Résultat de la recherche
- Personnes
- 457 résultats trouvés.
- Archives
- 4 résultats trouvés.
- Producteurs d'archives
- Aucun résultat trouvé
- Sources
- Aucun résultat trouvé
- Jalon de recherche
- Aucun résultat trouvé
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No problem, Roberto; and my instructions are only tips, i'm an amateur/visitor/interested explorer.Nothing else. If much reply's are given
upon reply's layered between bare questins and reply's it can become very confusing, especially if you approach the site via an old book mark.If you use an old bookmark, you should delete it, and re-reach the site here via the web, and store this link.
But i understand, if these things are difficult to you, just do not react on all the above,and stay in this thread.
I found the link between Antoinette and Pierre Ritte; its not a birthcertificate or
a marriage certificate, but both appear to declare a daughter at the censusdesk,together, dated, as a married couple.
Will post it in the next hour or so, have to eat now.
Adrie
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You can reset the default -language of the Belgisch Staatsarchief to English
in the Left corner above, and given the result/resultat,i can see that you used the general first frame.You have to click persons first, in a part of the header
After that type "Pierre Ritte" in the prompt, and the result will be spectaculair.
Then click on the magnifiing glasses right.
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This is the batch about Saint Pierre i checked partially, there are basically 3 rolls
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/210965?availability=Family%20History%20Library
This is what i'v got whilst browsing in the middle catalogue.Film 618412 8409357,(you can click on the camera to see the whole index and browse with the arrows)- i do it in
incremental steps of 10 at a time, but slow down in the correct timeframe's, or correct location on the alphabet.
-so find under "Ritte"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS13-XX6N?i=108&cat=210965
You should be able to read, Filia Petri Jospehi
et Antonia Fauquant, conjugum .. i cannot read the rest of it, so we need a latin speaker
to translate the whole declaration,....And i'm silently hoping mr Juengling will be so kind to review and translate..Obvious that it was written in Latin Btw.
It proves your connection , and the fact that they were married.
Adrie
(ps) do not forget to bookmark the 3 catalogues
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Many thanks again Adrien!!
I will continue on this chat, as per your recommendation. If you will, I may re send all the images and links I have sent before.
I believe the problem was that I was trying to answer through the email sent by FS and not directly in the FS system.
I hope it works this time.
Resetting the Belgisch Staatsarchief to english will give the home page in English, but afterwards it will all be again in NL, at least in my computer.
Thanks for your tips, all of them very valuable. I did it and the result is really spectacular indeed.
But unfortunately I believe there are not any records about Pierre Joseph and Marie Antoinette.
There used to be many Ritte in Belgium, but not any more. Today I have found Ritte in France, Germany, USA and Mexico, us.
The Ritte records I have found before 1695 (Marie Antoinette´s birthdate) are in Germany and I believe Ritte in Belgium comes from there. Unfortunately I haven't found the connection. This is why I am requesting support and help to find the marriage record of Pierre Joseph and Marie Antoinette. Maybe there could be the name of his parents, although by those dates parents were not included in the books.
I really would appreciate all the help you could provide.
Best regards.
Roberto Herrera Ritte
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Well, the obvious connection is in the previous mail,and if you follow all the white rabbits on The Belgisch staatsarchief, you should find more Pierre's than you think.
Given the connection,if i were you , i would print most of them that are not double's.
And you should try this, =>login, go to persons,=>free search prompt above and
type "Fauquant", in the spelling from the latin churchbook; you will be surprised , and again, feel free to print what you see of intrest at the magnifying glass.
-I do not agree with you, that there are not many Ritte's in Belgium, as what you can find here at the search-prompts, and in the Belgian archive is only the part older than 120 years, AND_indexed.But do not look for impossibility's,
search possibility's.
I will give you an example.
Open a fresh familysearch session, go to search then records and fill only
last name Fauquant ( mind the q) and country Belgium then enter
Go to the first 4 or 5 candidates and search for Tournai,and move to the attacheD scans.
Probably a part of the family of.....but again here also, you will not see the last 120 year, and the parts that are not indexed yet.
If the site of the Belgian statearchive returns to Fr or Ge,or nl,the probable cause is on your computer , if you shred your cookies on exit or restart, to flush you system of stored cookies, not any site will re-attach to it previous settings on its own.
Do not use a cookie-shredder or kill them on exit.
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Ritte
Vigesima septima martii 1726 bapta est Maria Joseph Ritte filia Petri Josephi, et Antonia Fauquant conjugum. Susceptores fuerunt Nicolaus Moielle, et Maria Joseph Fauquant.
Natus est hodie hora prima matutina
Twenty seven march 1726 Is baptized Maria Joseph Ritte daugther of Petri Josephi and Antonia Fauquant married. Godparents (receivers) were Nicolaus Moielle and Maria Joseph Fauquant. Born this morning at first hour.
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This record for Marie Antoinette Faucant says 7â 9bris
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