Father for Gustave Legner
I have an active family tree going but am at a standstill with a great grandfather Gustave Legner born 25 December 1879 – 6 January 1951 • L58M-954. I can not find his father anywhere he was born in Krpy in the Czech Republic and so was Gustave. One possible name that I received from an elder was John Legner or Lechner.
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Krpy belonged to the Roman Catholic parish of Řepín, and the parish registers are available from the Prague Regional Archives. If you type Krpy into the search bar on that site, it will bring up all the parish registers that include Krpy (Catholic, civil and Protestant). Unfortunately, it looks like the Krpy baptism register for 1879 has not yet been digitized. I would suggest ordering Gustav's South Dakota death certificate, if you don't have that yet (instructions on how to do so here).
The death certificate should give you his parents' names, and then you can look at the parish registers for his parent's marriage record. The 1925 South Dakota census you have attached on FamilySearch says his father was also born in Krpy and his mother was born in Benatky (probably Benatky nad Jizerou, which is southeast of Krpy). Marriages usually took place in the parish of the bride, so I would check the books for Benatky nad Jizerou first, once you know their names. If the death certificate doesn't list his parents' names, you could try ordering his SS-5 application for a Social Security number if he had one (instructions here)--that should also list them. Hope that helps!
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You're welcome!
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Aha. That town and the parents' names were the key. Here is Gustav's baptism record in the Evangelical records of Mělnické Vtelno--he was born 3 years before the date you had: https://ebadatelna.soapraha.cz/d/9539/98. You should be able to trace the family back further in the same parish.
Here is a translation:
No. 37
Born 25 December 1876
Baptized 31 December 1876
Residence: Krpy no. 86
Child: Gustav, legitimate
Father: Jan Legner, cottar of Krpy no. 86; son of the deceased Matej Legner, cottar of Krpy no. 3, and his deceased wife, Dorota Stepanova from Vtelno no. 64.
Mother: Anna, legitimate daughter of the deceased Vaclav Zeman, cottar of Krpy no. 10 and his deceased wife, Marie Paulysova from Lošan u Nymberk.
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You're welcome!! Yes, all of that information was in Gustav's baptism record. You can view the other books for that parish here: https://ebadatelna.soapraha.cz/pages/SearchMatrikaPage/puvodceId/1278?2. His baptism was in Book 07.
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No. 37 is the entry number for the baptism and the other numbers are house numbers in those respective villages. There are some books with handwritten indexes at the end, but generally yes, you just have to look page by page. Church records are the best source for this time period. Censuses also exist, but they aren't always online. You can learn about other records here: https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Czechia_Genealogy
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Thank you for the help.. Do you also know how I could get this postcard translated? It is from Krpy but I think it is signed Legernerova. Gustave Legner was my great grandfather but is it possible to have a name change like that??
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Legnerova is the feminine version of Legner. For women, they would add -ova onto the end of the masculine surname. The postcard is actually signed Legnerovi, which is plural and would translate to the Legners. Here's my attempt at a translation--maybe a native speaker can tell you the word I can't figure out (it looks like nacertu)
Written 24 August 1911[?]
My dear brother ^and sister-in-law ,
We send you many greetings, from our daddy and from me. I am visiting Daddy from Liberec; it hurts his eyes to write, so I’m writing. Daddy would like to come to you but doesn’t have ? So if you could send me some sort of charming hat he could put on his head, he would fly to you. And if you still have a nice crop, send us also a wagon of potatoes, it hasn’t rained here since spring. So once again, many more greetings to you from all of us,
Your brother and sister-in-law, niece, and nephew, Legnerovi (the Legners)
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Oh my gosh you are wonderful!! Thanks you so much!!!
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So with all your help I still can't find Gustav Legner's father. From reading letters I found that even though they were born in Krpy, they didn't stay long. The way it sounds they did not convert over to Catholic and the family moved to UHER/Upper Slovac? From one of Gustav's letters he said even though he lived in Krpy he walked and hour to go to school in another village called Utelna Melnickeho?? Gus also served in the military but I can't find any record of that either. I have one written letter that says his parents names were John Legner and Anna Legner but have had no luck finding them. Any help would be appreciated. I have a 96 year old relative that would love for me to find them..
thanks,
Scott
have an active family tree going but am at a standstill with a great grandfather Gustave Legner born 25 December 1879 – 6 January 1951 • L58M-954. I can not find his father anywhere he was born in Krpy in the Czech Republic and so was Gustave.
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How did you do that so fast?? I can't wait to keep going and let my 96 year old relative know. She is in a nursing home and is one of Gustav's daughters. Maybe this will help her remember. Did you find all of this information in one place? Thank you so much for helping me out again. I love researching our family history but this has been my biggest problem. Thank you again, you just made my day!!!
Scott
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Mckenna, I can't thank you enough for helping me out. Just to clarify, you wrote out No.37, 86,3, 64 and 10. Were those all page numbers from book 7? And if I was looking to go farther back in the other books is there way a simpler way to search or do I need to just look page by page? Because I can't translate I am just looking for Legner or Legnerova on the pages. Also are there other sources that I should try to use or are the church records the best source?
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Mckenna I don't know if I need to post a new discussion everytime I have a question or if I can go directly to you. Please let me know I don't want to flood you with questions. I found some records that I need translated. They are for Jan/Anna Legner, one for Joseph Legner, and the other I believe is related to Anna Zeman before she became a Legner.
Book 6
Jan and Anna Legner (parents of Gustav)https://ebadatelna.soapraha.cz/d/9545/3
https://ebadatelna.soapraha.cz/d/9545/28
Joseph Legner
https://ebadatelna.soapraha.cz/d/9545/27
Joseph Zeman (related to Anna?) https://ebadatelna.soapraha.cz/d/9545/3
https://ebadatelna.soapraha.cz/d/9545/42
book 8
Gustav Legner / Anna Legnerova
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@ScottGunner I recommend starting a new question each time you are looking at a new document or new person you are researching. All of the community will see each of your questions - at times we can learn from other peoples questions and apply it to our own research. You are always welcome to @mention someone specific to get their attention.
We are so happy you are finding success - this is such a helpful place!
Enjoy today! Cindy
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