How accurate are the dates on Hungarian civil registration records? Do they reflect the actual date
I have an image my great grand parents marriage record (18990 and the date on the record is about 6 weeks beyond the date that was used by the family as their wedding. The last of my questions may explain why I can’t find my grandfather's birth record even though I have the parents marriage record and his younger sister’s record.
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First questions, have to examine one by one.
The last, we should see your collected records for any help.
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Civil registrations of births and deaths have two dates: the date of the registration and the date of the event. Marriages have only the one date, since the act of registering the marriage *is* the marriage, as far as the civil authorities are concerned. This may or may not be the same as the date of a church wedding (if any).
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Julia and Tamas,
I wrote an answer earlier but I am not sure if it went through. It disappeared as I was trying to add the images.
I have two documents my great grand parents marriage and my great aunt’s birth. Both occurred about the same area. I have reviewed the surrounding areas and years (my grandfather was supposedly born in 1900) to no avail. No matter what date used (family or official) my grandfather was born premature which is why I wonder that is birth was not registered.
As for my great grand parents marriage I totally understand about the civil registration being the official date. I will reflect it on my tree for this date and make a note about the family celebration date.
Where are the two documents I have, at some point I may have to try and find the church records.
Thank you, Les Hecht
The marriage is records #25 and the following page, it can be found at https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPBH-9FX
the birth records is #60, it can be found at https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPB4-91XV
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For church records after 1895 you can register here, not free. I have to say church records not officially after 1895.
https://e-archivum.pecsiegyhazmegye.hu/en/login
Church registration till 1895 was in Szabolcs (Now both Somogy and Szabolcs are part of Pécs)
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/427387?availability=Family History Library
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Number 25. Dated in Somogy, 9 July 1899.
Groom: József Szvoboda, Roman Catholic, coal-mine worker, residence Somogy, birthplace Segen-Gottes plant, Rosič city, Brünn district, Moravia, 30 May 1873, known personally to registrar
Father: József Szvoboda, coal-mine day-laborer, residence Somogy
Mother: Mrs. József Szvoboda born Mária Pelcer, homemaker, residence Somogy
Bride: Lujza Schmiede, Roman Catholic, mine-worker's daughter, residence Somogy, birthplace Pécsbányatelep, 6 June 1878, known personally to registrar
Father: Ferencz Schmiede, mine-worker, residence Somogy
Mother: Mrs. Ferencz Schmiede born Mária Chudák, homemaker, residence Somogy
Witness: József Molitor, machinist employed in a coal mine, residence Szabolcs, age 47 years, known personally to registrar
Witness: István Gelencsér, coal-mine worker, residence Somogy, age 29 years, known personally to registrar
Remarks: József Szvoboda states that he is an Austrian citizen, his place of birth and official residency is Segen-Gottes plant, Rozič city, Brünn district, Moravia.
Number 60. Dated in Somogy, 13 May 1902.
Informant: the below-named father, known personally to registrar
Father: József Swoboda, Roman Catholic, coal-mine worker, residence Vasas, birthplace Segen Gottes plant, Rosicz city, Brünn district, Moravia, age 28 years
Mother: Mrs. József Swoboda born Lujza Schmidl, Roman Catholic, residence Vasas, birthplace Pécsbányatelep, age 23 years
Birth: Vasas, 10 May 1902, 5 p.m.
Child: girl, Roman Catholic, Francziska
Remark: Informant states that his place of birth and official residency is Segen Gottes plant - Rosicz city - Brünn district Moravia.
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Births were registered where they occurred rather than at the parent's residence. If his mother went into labor prematurely, they may have taken her to a hospital for his birth. I have been unsuccessful in figuring out where the nearest hospital was to Somogy or the coalmines in general circa 1900, but I would assume it was in Pécs? Of course, that's a huge registration district, and neither FS nor MACSE appear to have indexed it yet.... Do you have a birthdate for him, or just the year?
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Julie and Tamas,
Thank you again for all of your information. I can’t say how excited I am to have the marriage record and birth record info. This info as to my GGfather's birth town will be extremely helpful trying to find more information about the family. I believe there are more family members that lived the area where my great parents were married and will check my information again.
As for grandfathers birth we celebrated it Feb 19 and he used 1900. There was some issue about the year and it may be 1901. I will check through the unindexed Pecs records like I did to find the marriage and birth. Perhaps I wasn’t looking in the correct place for my grandfathers records. I will be busy looking at records again.
If possible have one more request. I have my GGfather Schmiedl's death record. I only need a portion explained. The attached portion of the record has the reason/cause of death and I am wondering what that might be. I think I am OK with the rest of the record.
Thank you again,
Les Hecht
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tüdőgyulladás - pneumonia
remark: the reporter - wife of the deceased person - said, place of origin was Schmiedeberg, Germany
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@Leslie_Hecht please be patient as we are going through this change of platform. Hopefully someone with the needed skills will be able to assist you shortly. Enjoy today, Cindy Jarvis
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