Does anyone know anything of George 'Brummie' Sage, birth, parents, marriage, court, death etc, from
Ive been told he was my gt grandfathers cousin and i'm trying to link him to my tree. He was leader of the Camden Town Gang who ran the racecourse rackets, friends with Billy Kimber, whom he met in prison. I beleive his grandfather was William Sage b 1822, Borden, Kent, I would like to find out who his parents were or any children.
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there is a wm Sage in the 1851 census with son George
do you think this could be him?
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I dont think so as i beleive him to be born in the 1890's
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probably born 1880's as i think he was in prison with Billy in 1901 but george isnt on the census
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Did you check the 1891 census & 1911 ?
You could try checking https://www.freebmd.org.uk/search for Birth/ marriage records
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Ive looked on census but dont have enough information to know who he is, i dont know his parents names, his Grandad if i'm correct was born in Kent, some of the family middlesex and coudbe london even
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i saw a couple of William Sage in the 1861 census around the London area
Since you have an idea of where William came from start there & come forward
another site to check records though not all transcribed
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/new?locale=en
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I have William Sage on all the census, and i have his children and i have a few Georges amongst the grandchildren but nothing states who is brummie Sage which is to be expected. Which is why I'm hoping someone will know of the actual George 'Brummie' Sage so i can try and tie him in
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If you have approx DOB you could check the GRO
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp#Results
Just create an account you do not need to buy the certificates unless you want to
But I use it as a search feature
check surname approx year of birth
it will come up with a mother's maiden surname name usually & town/city of birth
It will help tie things together
You could search wikitree wo see if anyone else has that family in the tree
Do you have a maiden name for the mother? appox DOB for George?
I can have a look
Good luck
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You probably know this already but he was in Southampton in the 1920's where he was shot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alf_White_(gangster)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_brothers_(gangsters)
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/nostalgia/real-peaky-blinders-billy-kimber-6309655
interesting reading in any case
Happy hunting
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(Sorry psted in wrong plsce so deleted and reposted here)
Thank you Lynda, i have actually found him now and linked hime with a George i have in my tree. George Neaves Sage born 16 MAR 1877, Stoke Newington, Middlesex, England. Died 26 JUN 1947, Islington, London, England. I found him by reading an article that said george was 5 years older than Billy knowing Billys birthdate I worked this out and searched my tree which came up with George Neaves sage i then googled him and found a very long article on him and other family member sin the book Gangs of London, written by Brian Macdonald, I have now ordered the book and glad i have tied this up. Brummy Sage was my Gt Grandads Cousin, thnk you for all the research and help. BTW im looking into the shooting, hopefully i may find a newspaper article but he wasnt killed in the shooting
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George "Brummie" Sage. Just been reading about him . He is mentioned in Peaky Blinders the Real Story by Carl Chinn. Chapter 5 The Real Billy Kimber.
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