Marriage records
Hello! I am investigating on my hungarian branch. I wanted to know if someone can help me finding a relative's marriage certificate.
Georgius (Gyorgy) Hegedüs KC31-1GD born in 1873 in Krásna nad Hornádom, Košice, Slovakia (Abaszéplak before?) married Ilona Molnar KCP4-J1C born in 1877 in Budapest probably on the same place where their two sons where born and baptized: Budapest, Pest-Pilis-Solt-Kiskun, Hungary.
Their first son, my great grandfather Peter Gyorgy Hegedüs Molnar MKTZ-LQ4, was born and baptized in 17 May 1895 in Pest-Pilis-Solt-Kiskun. By some family records i own, Gyorgy and Ilona were married on 1894 in Budapest.
I was looking forward to get any record of their marriage so i can get more information about Ilona's parents of whom i know nothing. Do marriage records give information about the bride's parents? About Gyorgy's parents i know they were called: Michael Hegedüs and Maria Kanczick.
Many thanks!
Ezra Kai
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You must be don't speak Hungarian so you don't understand what the priest wrote into "Jegyzetek" column in Péter Győrgy Molnár birth entry.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939K-RG9J-CB
He was illegitimate child because his Mom did not have a husband but they later married (27th February 1898) and György became legitimate.
So I would check marriages (Házasságok) in that day in all district in Budapest to know Who were Ilona parents.
They next children Ilona birth entry (10th September 1898) in the 3rd district register but I don't find any marriage records in this district.
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district 1-3 was registered together
marriage entry 166
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-D139-W2F?i=739&cc=1452460&cat=657943
Ilona birth record https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939K-RLSX-RY?personaUrl=/ark:/61903/1:1:V5Q6-5LN
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Many thanks! I really appreciate how you helped me out!
I am a bit confused about the hungarian names. Gyorgy's parents are Michael Hegedus and Maria Kanczik, but on Gyorgy's marriage record her mother's surname is Kruczik. On the other hand, Ilona Molnar's name was written as Ilka Molnar. This same situation happens with Georgius' name which is later written as Gyorgy. Do you know why this happen?
Also I would like to know why is Ilka's father name unkown. Is there any chance I can find her father's name?
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Also I found a source ( https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XS7S-S12?i=44&cc=1452460 ) which contains a record of another child Gyorgy and Ilona/Ilka had in 1898 called Ilona. What i knew about my great grandfather was that he had only one brother born in 1900. I think maybe she died too young and that is why they didn't tell my grandfather about her. Does the record say something like when she died?
Again, many thanks if you could help me answering these questions! I know nothing about the hungarian language!
Ezra Alvez
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Georgius is the latin version.
Ilka nick name of Ilona and it was used as fistname earlier.
As I see no chance to find her father.
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Yes in 1899, death records number 798.
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Can you paste here the page where the record is please?
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I just read from birth record
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3051. Entered 18 Sep 1898, born 10 Sep 1898.
Child: Ilona, girl, Reformed
Parents: György Hegedűs, baker's assistant, born in Széplak, Abaúj-Torna county, R. Cath., age 25; Ilka Molnár, born in Budapest, Reformed, age 21; residence Budapest, VII, Dob street number 93
Informant: György Hegedűs
Remarks: death event entered in the Budapest I-III district registrar's death register for the year 1899 under number 798.
Referenced death record:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DW5D-QK?i=139
Hungary Civil Registration - PPSKK - BP II - Deaths 1899 Jan - Image 140 of 282
798/I. Entered 23 March 1899, died 21 March 1899 11 p.m.
Deceased: Ilona Hegedűs, born in Budapest, Reformed, age 7 months; residence Budapest I, Alsóhegy street 78
Cause: pneumonia
Informant: Mrs. György Hegedűs
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Oh...so the birth record says the death date also. Many thanks for your time helping me! God bless you
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Thank you!
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A few general notes to supplement the details from Tamás.
First: Pest-Pilis-Solt-Kiskun was the county containing Budapest (along with much of the middle of the country). Budapest has twenty-something districts; in the 1890s, it was smaller, but already had 10. Specifying just the county is basically useless; even just "Budapest" is generally not enough to find anything, because the indexing of the civil registrations is far from complete. When citing a vital event in Budapest, it's a good idea to include the district number, or the name of the church if it's before 1895 (the start of civil registration).
The modern idea that whatever your parents put on your birth registration is Your Official Name, Unchangeable For All Time And Space ....is much newer than these records. (And untrue in most jurisdictions, but I digress.) For genealogy, you need to be much more flexible. The forms of given names changed according to the language of the record: a church register in Latin would've used Georgius; civil registrations used Hungarian, so it would be György (which is Hungarian for George). Most registrars insisted on "full, formal" names, but nicknames snuck in, hence Ilka instead of Ilona (which is Hungarian for Helen).
Without a remark in the birth register or a subsequent marriage, the father of an illegitimate child is generally unknowable at this point. Nobody kept any records that could answer the question.
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Thank you! I know nothing about Hungary geography or its language so for me trying to be more specific in the places where the records may be is mostly imposible.
!However, I really appreciate you took your time to explain me a bit how to work in the geneaology of this country!
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