What links can we add to this group to better serve those with Asian ancestors?
Could you share your personal success stories about finding your ancestors in Asian records? I would love to learn more about Asian research. Who can share some experiences with this group?
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In Thailand, genealogy research usually starts with ourselves and goes back generation by generation. Research has reached its limit, unable to find further data due to the limited evidence of search data. In my mind, questions arose what to do next to find more ancestors? One of the answer that comes into my mind is to find the early genus of the surname, and it is assumed that I might found their descendants as well. Since my surname is in widespread use in this area, so I try to create a group of social media to combine people who use the same surname to inquire about who is the early genus of our surname. It is a pleasure someone shared information in the group. I searched it on Google and found information of the name who was an early genus with his family and also saw the connections to other families. That inspired me to search more in public libraries, University libraries and have found many books including e-books that also recorded the genealogy of many surnames. I have recorded those ancestors in the Family Tree and attached the records in the Sources so that relatives can discover and continue connection.
Below is about the links that gathered some early genus of the Thai surnames and some University libraries that can find records:
- https://sites.google.com/site/thailandsurname/home
- https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Thailand_Names,_Personal#Lists_of_Thai_Surnames_.28Early_Genus.29_by_Alphabetical_Order:
- https://library.car.chula.ac.th/search/Y?search=%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%8A%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B8%E0%B8%A5
- https://digital.library.tu.ac.th/tu_dc/frontend/Search/
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It would be great if this group has links to each country in Asian. Since they are difference language, culture, and history of ancestor, so this may help people in their areas can discuss, ask, answer, and share about their ancestors.
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Wherever possible, the inside of each country page should have sub-links leading to specific groups, such as group by region, by lineage or clan, by surname, ... .
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I would like a list of family history missionaries and other volunteers by country that we could approach with country/language specific questions on our own research. An example
Japan - John Dyson (Family History Missionary until 2021) - Japanese and English languages
India - Aditya Thackeray (Family History Missionary until 2022) - English, Kannada, Telegu
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Links can be added to this group for each country. I think this would be very helpful.
Anupong, would you like to help with this? Is there anyone else that would like to help with this?
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This looks like a nice set of links to add for Thailand.
Who can suggest some links for other countries?
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Yes, sure.
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@John Dyson KS @Carolyn Webber @Lina Wakefield
it sounds a good idea. My questions are:
After we provide links to missionaries or volunteers:
- Are the patrons will contact these individual only, or still post the questions here on the community?
- Do we need to get permission if the Missionaries or volunteers want patrons contact them directly/only?
- Is the "Asia genealogy research" wants to also include Chinese helper and patrons from Chinese genealogy community? Another word, do we trying guide all Asia languages including Chinese to "Asia genealogy research" community?
- What do you think the future of "Asia genealogy research" and "Chinese genealogy research" 2 groups to better help Asian patrons?
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My guess is that we need to keep our own list of resource people to reach out to. When a question is asked that should be directed to a specific person, we can @mention them. We should ask them before @mentioning them if they are willing to be suggested as available to answer questions.
At this point, I think that the Chinese group has more admin support and is strong enough to stand on it's own. I don't think that many of the other Asian countries have enough interaction to need to separate out into multiple groups. We do have a separate Japanese group.
Our goal is to be able to provide support to all that need it. We hope to be able to provide assistance in the native tongues of the individuals.
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Lena, I think for now the Asia geneology research is easier for North Americans to lump together as one group, with subheadings for the different country/language groups. There is already a Japanese-language group that some Japanese saints use. When the sub-groups get big enough, I expect they will break off and become separate groups. Right now, China, Japan, India, Thailand, Malasia, Phillipians, Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore, Indonesia, etc could be included in the Asia group, especially if it is primarily an English-language group. For missionaries or volunteers to be listed, they would need to opt in or give permission to be mentioned. Patrons could contact them directly or post the questions here on the community. There are several different needs that an Asian group would fill. For instance, within a country. (This would not need to be an English or bilingual group. As an example, there is a Japanese language group that is used mostly by Japanese saints and others who speak Japanese.) The English-bilingual group would predominately be for those who do not speak the language of their ancestors (for instance, a Japanese sub-group for the Americans, Peruvians, Brazilians, Hawaiins, etc whose ancestors came from Japan and who need assistance in understanding Japanese family records when they trace their ancestors to their immigration. The same would go for a Chinese subgroup for those with Chinese ancestors who are in the Chinese diaspora.) Yes, there should be more groups when the demand is high enough. Hope I covered your questions. I am most familiar with Japanese geneology from my work as a temple missionary in Japan.
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There are many groups that can help patrons for a specific question about Temple and Family History Work for instance All Temple and Family History Consultants, FamilySearch Tip and Tricks, General Questions, .. . These groups are very helpful and have many specialists to help answer questions.
The community groups of each country should be a place that patron can be freely discuss, ask, and answer about their ancestors (genealogies) and also they can ask a specific question about Temple and Family History Work in their language here and this place should allow patron who would like to use English language as well. It would be great if each country has missionaries or volunteers to help answers for the specific questions or guide them to find answer in a specific group.
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in certain parts of the world - the methods by which family research is done (and resources used) may be drastically different than other countries.
There may be certain countries that FamilySearch just has very little in the way of digital records.
in these cases people often get frustrated (which is natural) - but sometimes they just expect FS to have all the answers and when they find it doesnt they just give up.
I feel that in such cases - people really need to sit down and think "outside of the box" and be creative about how they research and not just follow some of the more traditional methods that may not work for them.
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using Social Media to contact people in a certain area that may have the same surname. or using phone directories or city directories.
also all so often people misjudge the value of contacting siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins and extended family they dont even know yet.
also dont underestimate the power of prayer in finding your way to your ancestors.
@Family History Research Research
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Missionaries are not in our department, if you want the list, you need to ask their mission president for permission. It is up to them.
I am a member of the Asia Genealogy Research, so I can step in and help if it is related to Chinese genealogy.
Yes, I think it is good to have two separate groups for Asia Research and CHinese research.
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I understand that the Family History Department is separate from the Missionary Department. I am surprised that the Family History Department does not have more contact with the Family History missionaries. When I was a Temple Missionary, I had strong links to the Temple Department and worked directly for the Temple President. If I had a list of the Family History missionaries in Asia and their contact information, I would be glad to contact them and ask if they were interested in participating in the Asia Genealogy Research group and would be glad to keep a list up-to-date on the Asia Genealogy Research group for those who have questions.
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We used to have very close communications with the Asia missionaries in the library util the Library closed in March. We currently don't know much about their situations but we can definitely find out the information you need from their new missionary leaders, and contact information if the Asia missionaries don't mind share their personal emails to the patrons.
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Thank you Lena. I suspect that it would be better to ask them if they would be OK with being @mentioned, rather than sharing their email. It would be nice to know which missionaries wouldn't mind being tagged when we need help in certain areas.
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I love this idea! We definitely need more people involved in this group to get things rolling. I am eager to add some new admins to this group and I am looking for people that have the interest and desire to see this group succeed.
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