I need guidance on Anne Katrine Naes
Looking for her date of birth
She married Lars Tollefson in 1814 in Holmestrand, Vestfold, Norway
I am thinking in the 1790's she was born but no idea for sure
I also really think she is from the area she got married at alot has happened there
Her middle name has been Katrine or Catrine also her last name has gone with Naes or Nies
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Are you asking about finding her church christening? I see you have shared her birth date and place in FamilySearch tree as 29 May 1792 Holmestrand. Do you have a source for that birth date? https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GS2N-52Z
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Yeah about that I made a mistake last night with it and Family Search went all red on it because I was looking at something else and put down May 29 1815 Family Search was saying mom is younger then her kids etc etc so I put that date down to cool it off so to speak.
Need to get t fixed I have seen a couple of things in that time period but nothing concrete
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Richard,
I would urge extreme caution. You are about to step out into a swamp that risks leading you on paths that have nothing to do with your family.
You have no information about Anne Katrine Næs beyond her name. I would suggest you delete the birthdate and place you put in since they are both complete guesses before other researchers see them and get mislead.
Before you have a hope about finding a birth record for Ann Katrine, you need to learn more about her. This may not be possible.
As a starting point, you need to find the original records for all the information you do have for her spouse and children to add them as sources to appropriate people and to examine the full records for any trace of hints about Anne Katrine and complete all the information in Family Tree for all of her children. As you are looking at these original sources, if there are two copies, the Ministerialbok or Parish register (official) and the Klokkerbok or Parish register (copy). Sometimes they have slightly different information.
For example, the index of birth record for her daughter Ambor Maria claims her surname was Nilsen. This is wrong. It is just Næs there as with the rest of the children.
Here are the books where you will find these records:
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb/browse?clerical_parishes[0]=0702Q&start_year=1815&end_year=1815&text=
The biggest problem in identifying Anne Katrine is that her marriage record is so far back that no father’s name is listed. Another is that nowhere is she listed with a patronymic unless it is in one of the birth records you have not looked at yet.
The first thing I would do is try to find her in the 1865 census. If she got married about age 20, she would be about 70 in 1865 and could still be alive.
You can access the census here:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/search/1865
The second thing I would do is try to find a death record for her. I don’t know if they have been transcribed for Holmestrand so you might have to go page by page through the records.
Regarding a possible birth year for her, since she married in 1814 she was at least 18 and since she had a child in 1828 she was not more than 50 then. This gives a range of between 1778 and 1796. (The old suggestion to assume a marriage at about age 20 is pretty useless.)
One very interesting thing about her is her name, Næs (you may find it spelled Næss or Nes or Ness, just consider all these variants the same.) At this time in Norway very few people did not use a patronymic surname. Also, if people used a farm name in addition to their patronymic, the farm name would change whenever they moved to a different farm. Anne Katrine was clearly using Næs as a fixed surname and you have no idea how long her family used it as such.
Only a few categories of people in Norway in 1814 would have have a fixed surname: royalty, government officials, the upper social classes, merchants, and foreigners. These classes all tended to move around more than farmers and to move larger distances. In other words, Anne Katrine could have been from anywhere in Norway, she might even have been from Denmark or Sweden.
One thing you do know for certain is that she was alive in 1801. That means that if she was born in Norway, that is if her father was not a merchant from Denmark who moved to Holmestrand in 1813, she should be in the 1801 census which you can access here:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/search/1801
She might be listed as Anne Katrine, or Anna Catrine, or Anna Catrina, or Anna, or Catrina and depending on how the census taker worked, may or may not be listed with the last name of Næs, Nes, Næss, Ness, or some other spelling variant. The one place she might be listed with a patronymic might be in that census so might not be listed with the name Næs at all.
The most fortunate circumstance would be if any of the godparents or witnesses listed in the birth records for her children also had the last name of Næs. They might be her parents or siblings. Then if you could find them as a group in the 1801 census you could build a case that you have the right people there.
To summarize: Don't even try looking for her birth record until you have her death record which will at a minimum give you her age, which may not be accurate, at time of death. If she is not in the 1865 census, you know it is between 1828 and 1865, most likely in Holmestrand. This is the research part of family history research, going page by page through the original records.
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I am not sure how to delete it
I have been trying
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Here's a fun example from the timeline map of what I mean regarding the difference between a farmer who had a fixed place or parish he was tied to and had a farm name that would change if he ever moved and a merchant who had a fixed surname that looked like a farm name but was not. Both were born in the early 1830s.
From the way Anne Katrine's surname is handled in the records, her family was clearly of the second category. This does not mean, of course, that she did not live her entire life in Holmestrand prior to getting married, it just means you cannot assume that without evidence to back it up.
(Fixed surnames that look like farm names generally did originate as farm names anywhere from one to several generations farther back in the family. You can assume that Anne, or her father, or her grand-father, or her great-grandfather were born at a Næs farm somewhere in Norway, Sweden, or
Denmark.)
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Gordon Just out of curiosity could Anna be younger like married in 1814 and born in 1802
!2 years old is it possible
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Never.
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I looks like Anna Katrine Naes and Lars Tollefson spent about
20 to 30 years in Holmestrand, Vestfold, Norway
6 kids were Christened there
I dont know if this knowledge does me any good
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It tells you that since they were there that long, one of them probably was from Holmestrand and if it was Lars, they both most likely both died in Holmestrand, Finding their death records would most likely give you their age at death which would give you an approximate birth year which would be valuable information.
Also since you have the six christening, you can compile a list of all the godparents and if there are a bunch of Tollefson, they might be siblings of Lars. Then, if you have Lars birth year and can find a Lars with that birth year in the 1801 census and with siblings whose names match those of godparents, you can build a case that you have found Lars as a child with his parents and siblings in the census.
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I am struggling to understand what I see in Digitalarkivet
The questions are in English and the answers are in Norweigian
I think Lars was 25 in 1801
No idea about Anne Katrine Naes
I think Lars died in the 1840's as well but like I said I dont know for sure what I read
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Let me know exactly what page you are looking at, most of the time you can just post a link, and I'd be happy to help with translations and explaining what you are looking at.
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https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058245000105
This is one page and Lars is at the top
For all I know the page is a whole family like mom and dad brothers and sisters
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Also I did a check on family search and put in to off the wall time period like 1990 and Lars and Anne Katrine disappeared
But if I do it in the 1772 to 1790 they all show up
Do I take that as a sign that there birth is in there or just a lucky thing
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Here's a census lesson! The census for 1801 was taken by entire farms. Most farms, however, were divided into separate households. Each household would have a head of the household, that person's family members, and all the farm workers. The various households on the farm could have families that were related but just as often, two adjacent households were not related at all.
On the Digitalarkivet, you can display the census page as a table or as a list. I find the format I'll show below the easiest to work with. There is a button to switch between the two.
At the top of the page will be one individual. That same individual will be in bold type in the full listing. Clicking on any name in the listing brings that person to the top.
Here is the page you linked to showing these items:
Evaluating the Family Position column is very important to figure out who is who. A good resource for translating these terms is here: https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Norwegian_Genealogical_Word_List
In translating these terms you do have to watch out for older spelling variations. For example, Huusbonde is an older spelling of Husbonde. Børn is now Barn. Tienestefolk is an older form of Tjenestefolk. But if you look for words on the list that look similar, you will probably get the right meaning.
In the household in which this Lars Tollefsen lives, the first person listed is Ole Larsson. Looking at the relationship column, he is the head of household, then come three "Husbondens sødskende" or head of household's siblings. Next comes Lars, listed as a Tienestefolk or farmworker, as are the next two people. Then come two people listed as Huusbondens forældre or head of household's parents.
So this Lars Tolefsen is living on this farm as a farm laborer and is not related, as far as one can tell here, to anyone on this page.
The next column, marital status is usually easily to get used to. People were either single, married, or widowed. If no status is given you can usually assume they were single. Often the number of the marriage a person was in is given.
Looking at that column for Lars, he is listed as "Married 1st time." It's strange that the woman below him, who you would think should be his wife, is listed as unmarried. So either Lars' wife was living somewhere else at the time of this census or that listing under him is mistranscribed or mistaken and he really is married to Pernille Pedersdatter.
I highly doubt this is your Lars Tollefsen. Being a farm laborer at 25, I would expect him to be a farmer the rest of his life and never move too far from home. This census page is from the parish of Stor-Elvdal which is here:
Whereas Holmedal is here:
These are from a handy website for locating modern parish boundaries:
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Census lesson #2: Spelling variations can make searches difficult at times. Searching on just part of the name is usually best. Using the wildcard * lets you search on just part of a name. Using the | character lets you search for more than one variant at a time.
Lars doesn't have too many variations. Lars, Lauritz, Laurits are about it. You can cover these by setting up the search as lar*|laur* to get a reasonable set of results.
Tollefson has a bunch of varients, just in the -son part alone, -sen, son, sson, ssen, -zen, -søn so I never have a search include that. The Tollef- part could be Tollef, Tolef, Tolleif, Tolleiv, Toleiv, Tolev, Toliv. The only thing these all have in common are the Tol so I would search just using Tol*.
Starting the search, I would look in the earliest know residence, in this case Holmestrand, and see what comes up.
Here is the search form set up with the criteria I decided to use:
This gives no results.
Backing out one geographic area to check all of Vestfold gives five results:
This doesn't look very encouraging. I think that without more information about Lars and Anne Katrine, it is going to be very difficult to find anything before their marriage record.
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What possible death record did you find?
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So focus on when they died
Would using there kids in a search be to much of a stretch
Whats my move
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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7PC-WF6
I am not sure I entered
Lars Tol death between 1840 to 1860 or is that to broad
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If you have scored any big leads please let me know
I cant seem to break away from these 2 and it has me stumped
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Richard, I know that I have been pestering you to thoroughly analyze what you already have and add it all to Family Tree before looking for more but have also taken note of your comments that you have only been doing research for a couple of months, are struggling with the Norwegian records, but are just feeling compelled to see what you can do with this family. I realize this can seem overwhelming, particularly since you have picked a difficult project.
I find your project challenging and I’ve been focused on Norwegian family history since my wife, who was born in Norway, and I got married (I won’t mention here how long ago that was) and we have been working on her family. Also, I served a two year mission in Norway and so am fluent in Norwegian. When I don’t understand a Norwegian word, I have three Norwegian dictionaries and my wife to help translate.
So I’ve decided to show by example what you can do and where it might lead. In doing so, I’ve run across some fascinating things.
I have done the following:
1) Cleaned up the listings of FamilySearch sources on Lars, Anne Katrine, and their first daughter, Ambor Maria by putting them in order and adding missing source dates.
2) Cleaned up event place names to be historically accurate. Made sure all dates and place names were properly standardized.
3) Corrected the spelling of Ambor Maria’s name.
4) Added the scanned parish records for Lars and Anne Katrine’s marriage and Ambor Maria’s birth as sources. I went a bit overboard here in that I put Ambor Maria’s birth record on her and on both her parents so all sources for her parents could be seen at once. Also, I included a full transcript of the records. The marriage record had enough extra information that was not obvious if one does not know Norwegian that I also included a translation of the marriage record.
Now to the analysis of the records:
Lars and Anne Katrine’s marriage record:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070402680106
Transcription:
ditto - d: 22nd ditto, Hr Lars Tollefsen og Jfr Anne Karine Næs, Efter forgaaende tillysning - Caut: Christopher Tollefsen og Uhrmager Holter.
Expanded Transcription:
Copulation - den 22nd Maj 1814, Herr Lars Tollefsen og Jomfru Anne Karine Næs, Efter forgaaende tillysning - Cautionsmenn Christopher Tollefsen og Urmager Holter.
Translation:
Marriage - the 22nd of May 1814, Mr. Lars Tollefsen and Damsel Anne Karine Næs, according to preceding record of engagement - Best men / witnesses Christopher Tollefsen and Clockmaker Holter.
There are three important items to be taken from this record.
1) Anne Karine is referred to as Jomfru. If you scan through the records, you will see that almost all brides have the title Pike. The two terms mean the same - maiden, unmarried woman - as used here, but Jomfru indicates higher social status. This confirms what we knew from the fact that Anne Karine kept the surname of Næs as a fixed surname, that she was not a farm girl or peasant but was from a higher social class.
2) A record for their engagement is referred to. Sometimes these will have more information than the marriage record. This is definitely something to try to find. It will probably be a few pages before the marriage record in the same book. I’ll take a look later.
3) One of the witnesses is also named Tollefsen. Could this be a brother?
Ambor Maria’s birth records:
Ministerialbok - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070402680679
Klokkerbok - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070403610110
Ministerialbok:
Transcription:
Entry: 13
Birthdate: 29 Maj [1815]
Name: Ambor Maria
Christening date: 26 July [1815]
Parents: Kiøbmand Lars Tollefsen og Anne Chatrine Næs
Godparents/Witnesses: Ambor Chr. Tollefsen, Mette Tollefsen, Halvor Holter, Ole Mouritzen, Søren og Tollef Tollefsen, Christian Holter.
Klokkerbok:
Transcription:
Entry: 13
Birth Date: 29nd Maj [1815]
Name: Ambor Maria
Christening Date: 26 Julj [1815]
Parents: Kiøbmand Lars Tollesen og Husd. Anne Katrine Næss
Godparents/Witnesses: Madam Anne Maria Tollesen, Jomfru Mette Tollesen, H. Halvor Holter, H. Ole Mouritzen, H. Søren og Tolle Tollesen, H. Christian Holter
The basic information is just what is found in the indexed record as far as dates, name and parents names so nothing new is added here. No residence beyond just Holmestrand parish is provided.
However, the list of godparents/witnesses gets pretty exciting. I don’t have any idea why the first person listed is different in the two lists. That will have to be a mystery for now. But the first thing that leaps out is the names of the female witnesses: Ambor Chr. Tollefsen, Mette Tollefsen, Anne Maria Tollesen. They are all Tollefsen, not Tollefsdatter!!!
This means that Tollefsen is not a patronymic surname. It is being used by the family as a fixed surname. We have no indication at this point when the family started this but this does give a high likelihood that Lars Tollefsen’s father was not named Tollef but rather was Something Tollefsen.
This brings a complication to searching for Lars in the 1801 census. If the census taker was not aware of this fixed surname or didn’t care, and if, for example, Lars’s father was named Ole Tollefsen, Lars might be recorded in the census as Lars Olsson.
Looking further at the witnesses, take note of Ambor Chr. Tollefsen.
The naming pattern for rural farm families was pretty strict. If a man and woman got married and moved to the man’s family’s farm, the first boy would be named after the man’s father, the first girl would be named after man’s mother, the second son would be named after the mother’s father and the second daughter would be named after the mother’s mother. If, however, they moved to the wife’s family’s farm, the first son would be named after the mother’s father, the first daughter after the mother’s mother, the second son after the father’s father, and the second daughter after the father’s mother.
I don’t know how strictly this was followed in cities and among higher social classes. However naming the daughter Ambor and having the first witness be Ambor does raise the possibility that Ambor Chr. was Lars’ mother.
However, Ambor is Ambor Maria, not Ambor Chr. and in the Klokkerbok the first witness is Anne Maria Tollesen. Anne Maria has the title Madam so she was married and of higher status than a hustru (wife). Did they take the Maria from her to make Ambor Maria? Could Anne Maria be Lars’ mother? Is one of these two women Lars’ paternal grandmother?
The other intriguing part of these records is that we now have five more people with the surname Tollefsen. The Holter name is here twice. Could these two families have some connection beyond just being neighbors?
When going through these records, it is helpful to scan everything. I wasn’t but as I was getting to the page I wanted, this next birth record was in beautiful handwriting and really popped off the screen:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070403610109
Entry: 4
Birth Date: 10 April 1814
Name: Hanna Katrine
Christening Date: 30 Decb.
Parents: Urmager Halvor Holter og Anne Katrine Tollefsen
Godparents/Witnesses: Madam Holter, Jomfru Mette Tollefsen, ? Nelle-Christian Svendsen.
I am convinced that this is the same man as in the marriage record for Lars and Anne Katrine. And look who his wife is, Anne Katrine Tollefsen. One of the witnesses is Jomfru Mette Tollefsen who is certain to be the same Jomfru Mette Tollefsen as in Ambor Maria’s birth record. I really think these two are sisters and that Lars is their brother. Madam Holter is certain to be Halvor’s mother but without a first name listed, that doesn’t help much. The final witness looks to be just a friend of the family.
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(Continued from previous answer which got too long to post. Be sure to read that one first or this will make no sense at all.)
Synthesizing all this into one, gives this completely hypothetical family structure, with relationships based on Lars:
Anne Maria Tollefsen - married name of mother or grandmother, or maybe maiden name if she was the one with the higher social status. Could even be an aunt if Lars' uncle was the real head of the clan.
Ambor Chr. Tollefsen - married name of mother or grandmother, or maybe maiden name if she was the one with the higher social status. Could even be an aunt if Lars' uncle was the real head of the clan.
Mr. Tollefsen - Lars’s father. Unless his children all took their mother’s name as a surname. In that case, his name could be absolutely anything.
Not in order of birth:
Lars Tollefsen - self
Anne Katrine Tollefsen - sister, married to Halvor Holter who was best man at Lars’s wedding.
Mette Tollefsen - sister
Søren Tollefsen - brother? uncle? cousin?
Tolle Tollefsen - brother? uncle? cousin?
(The way they are listed “Søren and Tolle” suggests they have the same status, that is, are both brothers or both uncles or both cousins.
Christopher Tollefsen - brother? uncle? cousin?
Halvor Holter - brother-in-law (and most likely his brother is Christian Holter)
Next steps:
1) Find the engagement record for Lars and Anne Katrine.
2) Find a marriage record for Halvor Holter and Anne Katrine Tollefsen in hopes it has useful information.
3) Try again to find the family in the 1801 census for Holmestrand, keeping in mind the worse possible situation, that the entire crew might have come over from Denmark after the census and before Lars and Anne Katrine’s marriage. It is usually helpful to search for the least common name as a starting point. In this case, I would try searching for Ambor Chr. because I’ve never seen that name before, we know she was alive in 1815 and if she really was the child’s grandmother or great-grandmother she was certainly alive in 1801. The Chr. would be either Christina or Christiana or something similar. It could even be her patronymic, such as Christiansdatter.
I'll look for the engagement record. You can take care of the other two. Remember: 1) Start with a limited geographic area. 2) You don't know how Ambor Chr.'s name might be spelled in the census. Use the * wildcard to avoid missing her just because you didn't think of all possible spellings.
Let me know how this goes. I do want you to have the thrill of discovery. But if it turns into the annoyance of non-discovery, I'll take a look.
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(Addition to the previous two posts.)
I found another child for Halvor Holter and Anne Cathrine Tollesen, a son Christopher, born 5 July 1812 and christened 20 December 1812:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070402680103
The list of godparents/witnesses has Madam Holter, Jomfru Næss (who I would guess to be Anne Katrine), Mette Tollesen, Christopher Tollesen, Ole Mourritzen, Lars and Tollef Tollefsen, Christian Holter, and Hans Anders (I think) Holter.
Contineing back through the records, I did finally come to Halvor and Anne Cathrine’s marriage on 8 December 1806:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070402680090
I’m not positive, but it looks like Halvor was a widower. The best men were Ole Baker and C. Tollefsen. I would assume the C. Tollefsen was the Christopher Tollefsen who was also best man when Lars got married. I wondered if he was a brother, uncle, or cousin. But could he even be their father?
I am not seeing anything that looks like a Tillysning or engagement record in these pages. Maybe they were in another book that has gone lost.
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Gordon I have read your notes over and over and I am still having a hard time
I would be greatful if you took a look
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Alright. Let’s see what we can find in the 1801 census.
To summarize from my previous notes, from the marriage for Halvor and Anna Marie and christening records for their two children and Lars and Anna Katrine’s marriage record and the christening record for their first child, you now know about the following people. (This, by the way is what is known as cluster research in which you look at extended families and neighbors to find information about the individual you are looking for. This can be very helpful.)
Ole Baker
Anne Marie Tollefsen
Ambor Chr. Tollefsen
Christopher Tollefsen
Lars Tollefsen
Mette Tollefsen
Søren Tollefsen
Tollefsen Tollefsen
Anna Katrine Næs
Halvor Holter
Hans Anders Holter
Mrs. Holter
Ole Mouritzen
Nelle-Christian Svendsen
The first one and the last two are probably not family and not useful for further research.
Now you have a cluster of Tollefsen who all had to be alive in 1801. Finding one of them might lead you all of them.
Often in the Norwegian census records, it is most useful to search by first name. Last names tended to change. Also as in any census, it is most useful to search for the most unusual name in the family just because there will be fewer people by that name in an area. Also, while the spellings of first name could be variable, I have found that in general the first part of the name changes less than the last part with just a few exceptions for things like K and Ch. So I generally start my search with just the first two or three letters of the first name. Finally, in the 1800s, most people were not moving around very much so I start with the single parish I think they should probably be in.
In this case this means I will start my census search looking for just amb* in Holmestrand.
Here is the result list:
Just four Ambors with three different spellings. Checking through each one in turn, the first three don’t look like good candidates to be Ambor Chr. Tollefsen. However, the fourth and final one is a great find:
Here we have merchant Christopher Tollefsen married to Amborg Dyrhoff with their six children,: Søren, Tollef, Lars, Anne, Giertrud, and Mette. In addition are listed Anne Berg who is Amborg’s mother, Anne Tollefsen who is Christopher’s sister and is probably the Madam Anne Marie Tollefsen listed in the one christening record, and Helvig Dyrhoff who is Amborg’s sister. This includes everyone you already knew about, puts them in the proper spots in the family, and adds several more people.
Note that Christopher is listed as being in his second marriage and although the census lists all the children as being “Deres søn [eller datter]”, that is “Their son or daughter,” meaning the children of Christopher and Amborg, I have found that to be unreliable and you can’t know for sure which children, if any, are from Christopher’s first wife until you find a marriage date for Christopher and Amborg.
Now we have definite proof that Tollefsen was being used as a fixed surname since Christopher’s older children are all listed with the surname Tollefsen and the younger with the patronymic Christophersen. In this situation, I would record Lars’ name as Lars Christophersson Tollefsen with an explanation in the reason statement as to why and record in Other Information an alternate name of the pure patronymic Lars Christophersson.
Now that you are one step farther back, you have the interesting name of Amborg Dyrhoff. Was this a big enough or important enough family that other people have run into it? It’s worth looking, starting with Family Tree itself.
Searching for Amborg Dyrhoff in Family Tree brings up:
With family structure
In the change log you will find the user name of someone who was working on the family in 2013. In the change log for Christoffer Tollefsen you will find the name of someone else working on it in 2016. You may have just found a couple of new cousins or at least someone who may know more about this family. This family has lines that descend quite a ways down through Lars’ siblings Giertrud, who is married to Ole Mouritzen (so now you know why he is in the christening records) and Mette.
After you merge your copy of Lars Tollefsen with Lars Kristoffersen MG31-H7Y and fix his name to Lars Christophersson Tollefsen you will have quite a large family to look through.
(Note that Family Tree shows a daughter Anne who was born and died in 1779 but the census has an Anne born about 1780 who is 21 years old. Either the death date is wrong or there is a second Anne between the one born in 1779 and Giertrud born in 1787. You might have here a child missing from Family Tree.)
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Ok I merged Lars and think it is all correct and it does match your work Gordon but I would still like for you to double check me please
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https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000009966090
Also you thoughts on this one too Anne Katrine Naes
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The 2nd one shows Halvor and Anne maybe are brother and sister if I understand it right
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Your merge looks fine. I did complete the merging of Lars’ parents.
I also added sources for his birth record and the 1801 census so they don’t get lost. Then I cleaned up Lars’ record so I can think straight and included thorough reason statements.
Now to your questions. Since these have to do with Halvor Holter, I did go ahead and find Anne Cathrine Tollefsen, his wife, in the indexed records and add her to the family since she was missing. Then I added Halvor and their marriage information. This added a bunch of possible duplicates and record hints for them. I’ll leave them for you to deal with. They all look really good.
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Regarding your post:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000009966090
Also you thoughts on this one too Anne Katrine Naes
This is a birth record for the child of a Halvor Holter and a Karen Pedersdatter. The child was christened 20 October 1805 at Tangen church in Drammen.
It is highly unlikely that this Halvor was married six week later in Holmestrand on 8 December 1805, even though the Halvor that married Anne Catharine was a widower. (I misread the record when working on my previous post and put the marriage year as 1806, but it was really 1805. Always read these records at least three times!) So I would be confident saying this birth record involves a different Halvor Holter with no connection to the Tollefsens.
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Regarding your post:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01058232007539
Or this one
This is a record from the 1801 census for a Halvor Holter living in Oslo. He is married to a Karen Larsdatter. There is nothing in the record that would connect him to the Tollefsens or to Anne Karine Næs. Olso and Holmestrand are not too far apart, however, this Halvor is a horn player for hunters. People did not change occupations much, so it is unlikely he would be a clock maker a decade later. So this does not appear to be the Halvor that married Anne Catharine Tollefsen.
Halvor Holter and Anne Katrine Næs are not siblings. Fixed surnames remained fixed and women did not change them when they got married. If these two were siblings, they would have the same surname.
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Something about Anne Katrine Næs that occurred to me recently was something interesting in the christening records for her children. The witnesses/godparents are all primarily Tollefsens. You need to check the rest of the children, but with Ambor Marie, there was not a single Næs. This would suggest that Ann Katrine was not from Holmestrand and had no family in town. This will make it even harder to find out anymore about her.
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