Johannes Pringel

Jean-JacquesPringels

Dear Sir or Madam,

I contact you about Johne Pringel (Birth Date: 8 Mar 1666, Link profile: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/K898-VCQ

It may be our oldest ancestor arrived in Belgium around 1690.

Here in Belgium we were able to identify this ancestor under the name of Johannes Pringel (via a marriage certificate dated 1695). Johannes being John's Latin translation. He died on January 18, 1732 in the commune of Zaffelare, Lochristi (currently East Flanders, Belgium) which was at the time a commune belonging to the Netherlands (see below).

According to genealogical research by my uncle (made between 1980 and 2000), we do not know the date of his birth (nor the place), but we think what would be likely between 1660 and 1675.

Thanks to my DNA test, it was possible to demonstrate the membership of our family here in Belgium (current spelling of our name: Pringels) to the Pringle family in Scotland.

There is thus another plausible hypothesis about the arrival in Belgium of Johannes Pringel. This comes from what is explained about George Pringle (1631-1689) which would have lived for several years in Holland (see the following page: https://www.artwarefineart.com/gallery/portrait-george-pringle-1631-1689)

Based on the principle that George would not go to live alone in this country but left with his family, it is then possible that he had children during these years spent in Holland and which would not be taken up in the old acts of Scottish births , births then listed by the Dutch administration of the time?

Is it possible to link Johne Pringel to Johannes Pringel or would it be possible to find the date of birth in the archives of the Netherlands as well as its place of birth (perhaps in the region of Amsterdam)?

Can I then ask you if you have additional information about Johannes Pringel which would allow us to fill the lack of information before 1695 in the family tree of our family here in Belgium?

I am looking forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,

Jean-Jacques Pringels

The Pringle Hoppringle (Family and Ancestors) on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61552969820351

Principal sites occupied by the ancestors of the Hoppringle/Pringle family: https://www.handyserv.com/hoppringle/index.php

[Johannes (+- 1670 - 1732) was the oldest known ancestor of the Pringels family in Belgium]

Adrien Kintziger

@Jean-JacquesPringels

Regarding this case,...as you declare"He died on January 18, 1732 in the commune of Zaffelare, Lochristi (currently East Flanders, Belgium) which was at the time a commune belonging to the Netherlands (see below)."--, looking after this , i found the whole string on Ancestry or Geneanet, only Zaffelare mentioned...and dates.

Basically , you would like to have this one's birthcertificate an date to compare him with Johne? just to make sure they are the same or not...; if so, could be very difficult to find a catalogue that pre-dates 1732 by far.

Interesting story about Georges Pringle (link works now) and matching years, but one would probably wrongly assume to state that he is the first Pringle here, and the only of that time in the Netherlands, patient one so to speake.., and he is Not.Dna => i'm born by a Dutch mother Belgian father , father has German Luxembourgisch roots 11 generations far,and mother 10 gen far Holland. So, as most people i checked my dna, partly Scandinavian/European, and English... , the reason is not so difficult as the north sea was some 11,000 years back or so a frozen barren march and swampland , that was walk(able) during low tide,from Ostend to ,...etc (sorry for the condensed typing and chat-appearence,short of time)