Birth Records
I've gotten back to Honora Hogan abt. 1800 - 1874 (GKVX-4R7). I can't find her birth date. She married Michael Mann (born abt 1794 - 1869 - GKVX-H8Z) 24 April 1825 in Emly County, Tipperary, Ireland. I can't find Michael's birth date either. I'm new at this and feel like a klutz. Nothing comes up in record hints with family search, ancestry or find my past. Can anyone guide me as to where to look? Thanks so much.
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You won't find birth records in Ireland before 1864, when civil registration began. If the family was Roman Catholic, the Roman Catholic baptismal registers are online on several sites and are currently being indexed for FamilySearch. BUT - finding a baptismal record that early is hit-or-miss as not all registers survived.
The early RC baptismal registers won't generally list a date of birth, just the date of baptism. Children were baptized as quickly as possible - within a day or two of birth, usually.
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This is a county page for Tipperary. You might find something helpful here https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/119626/county-tipperary/p1?new=1
Do you know when and where they were married? Do you know their parent's names and any information on them? When searching records that will be helpful as Irish names can be quite common. Here is a bit of information about Emly in County Tipperary. It appears this area was Roman Catholic. This article gives the archdiocese of Emly and Cashel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emly
This is a link for the Catholic Parish Registry that you might be able to find some records here as well
Ireland Civil Registrations of Births, Marriages & Deaths Accessibility
Ireland’s Civil Registration indexes of births, marriages and deaths are now more accessible than ever before via four websites (see below; ranked-order from left to right). https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ has both indexes and digital images of births, marriages and deaths from as early as 1845 to as late as 1966, depending on the event type.
This site also has a message board that you might find helpful https://www.irelandxo.com/
This is information about Northern County Tipperary. https://www.rootsireland.ie/tipperary-north/
https://www.from-ireland.net/county-tipperary-genealogy/
Come back and let us know how else we can help.
Shannon
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Shannon, Thanks so much. This family was Catholic. I have the marriage record listed on my sources, but that's where it stops. All the children are listed as well. I really appreciate your help. I even took a class on Irish records, but it was just overwhelming. The things you have given me are just the right amount of sources to check out. Thanks a gain. I feel so hopeful! You're the best!
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@ChristyMonson1 I am happy to help with these sources. Irish research is a bit tricky. My husband’s family is also from County Tipperary. Knowing that your family is from Emly, I’d definitely check out those parish records. Emly is in Northern Tipperary which is helpful to know. Did they get married in Ireland? Please come back and let me know what you found and if I can help you further. @anthonyphilipclarke1
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This is what I found, but I can't find anything further. This birthdate makes her a little older for marriage (27). I also looked for Martin Hogan and Mary Ryan, but I 'm not sure of any of it.
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@ChristyMonson1 I went and looked at your FamilySearch Tree and you added quite a bit of information in April 2023. Great documentation on this family. It's a real blessing that you were able to find so much information. Can you give the link to the record you found as I cannot get to the link because it is a picture. If you copy and paste the link I can go to it. I would definitely keep the new information you have until you find out if they are your ancestors. I look forward to hearing back from you.
Shannon
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I put the two links in the comment above. I'm such a klutz at this, I don't know how to send you a better link. (I did lots of research on PAF, but I feel too old to learn this new system. I've put the link to the parish record and said it's on page 44. I don't know how else to do it.
I'd better go down to Salt Lake on Friday and find someone to help me there. I'm just not secure enough to do it by myself. I've found several Honora Hogans, but the birth dates aren't right. This is the closest one to being the right age to marry in 1825. I've found a young girl age 12 in 1825 named Honora Hogan. That one's not right. This one isn 27 (page 44) and that's a little old, so I don't know if this one is right.
I appeciate your looking. Thanks so much. If you can tell me how to make the link, I'll do it.
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@ChristyMonson1 if you will go to the url at the top of the page you are searching and highlight it and right click, press copy then you can paste to a document. Then come back here and copy the url in your document and paste it here. ☺️
Did you get any help from the Family History Library?
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I didn't go yet. I may go Friday. I'll try copying and pasting. Hang on :}:}:}
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I didn't think it would copy the page, but it did. :}
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632678#page/44/mode/1up
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Hi Christy,
Yay!!! You did it! I won’t have time until Friday to take a look at it, but I will ☺️
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@ChristyMonson1 I wonder if Margaret Ryan is her mother? The information you stated above could most definitely be her. Hogan is a common name in County Tipperary. I was hoping the marriage source you gave would have listed parents, but I am not seeing it. This is definitely a hard one. If only we had parents for her. My research is with my husband's O'Brian's from County Tipperary and I am having as hard a time as you are. Did you go up to the Family History Library in Salt Lake? I am curious if they came up with something more. I am very interested in you following up as I really want to know if you are finding any more information.
Here is an interesting note to add insult to injury 🤪
Co. Tipperary
The Ó hÓgáin were part of the Dál gCais tribal grouping, and they were located near the modern town of Nenagh in Co. Tipperary. Today, Hogan is the 91st most numerous surname in Ireland, and is strongest in counties Clare, Tipperary, Limerick and Cork.
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Thanks for your feedback. I was so excited when I found this entry, . . . .BUT it isn't a definite. I was going to Salt Lake last Friday, but it snowed. I'll try to go in the next couple of days. I'll let you know what they say. I just feel a strong affinity for Honora Hogan, and I really don't know why. I think she wants to be found. AND I want to find her.
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I look forward to hearing from you. This record is so close, I hope it is her. I still have to wonder if Margaret Ryan was her mother 🤷🏼♀️
Hopefully, the weather will cooperate so you can go to the Family History Center. That freeway is crazy enough in good weather, I am sure not so much with snow. 😊
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Hi Shannon,
Sorry, the holidays got away from me. I did go to Salt Lake and got some help. We found Honora Hogan's death date. Her daughter Joanna was present at her death. We also found that her husband was a laborer and the plot of land he worked, but the information about her birth record isn't definitive enough to say for sure. I had a couple of other possibilities for her birth that we could rule out because the parish was in a little bit different place, but we can't say for sure about this record. The researcher told me just what you said. It's difficult to get back beyond this time frame, AND I don't want to seal the wrong people together. Thanks so much for your help. I really appreciate your thoughtfulness. All the best, Christy
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Thank you Christy for the followup. I am so happy you found more information on her. Keep digging and hopefully with some inspiration you will be able to break the wall. Griffith’s Evaluation is a land record worth looking into if and when you find more about her parents. I am so glad the Family History Library people were able to help you as well. Happy digging and good luck on your adventuring ☺️
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