Belp BE - marriage [or proclamation?] - 1720 - Singer&Balsiger - bride's origin?

Gina Palmer

12 Jan 1720 marriage entry in Belp register

Where is the bride from? It looks like "auß dem Braithlohe," but can't find that location, though it sounds more descriptive of a place than perhaps a village name. I did find Breiten near Belp.

Also, I usually associate "eingesegnet" with being married, but in the Kirchdorf register their marriage was dated 18 January 1720, so is this entry in Belp a proclamation or granting permission to marry?

Daniel57704

The family name Balsiger is not only native to Belp but also to the surrounding villages, e.g. Rubigen, Köniz, Münsingen and Toffen. South of Toffen there is a small village with the name Breitlohn (see on topo map https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=de&topic=ech&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farbe&layers=ch.swisstopo.zeitreihen,ch.bfs.gebaeude_wohnungs_register,ch.bav.haltestellen-oev,ch.swisstopo.swisstlm3d-wanderwege&layers_opacity=1,1,1,0.8&layers_visibility=false,false,false,false&layers_timestamp=19601231,,,&E=2603887.00&N=1188327.74&zoom=8.979291441869936). Elisabeth Balsiger might therefore come from here.

You are right, 'eingesegnet' means beeing married. I don't know why Kirchdorf has a different date (12 January 1720 was a Friday, 18 January 1720 a Thursday). But I could imagine that there was simply a mistake in Belp. When permission had to be given for an out-of-town wedding, it was usually formulated as 'einen Schein gegeben' meaning 'handed out a permission paper'.

Gina Palmer

@Daniel57704 Thank you for your help.

WSeelentag

I have just used your example for a short discussion on the topic How accurate are primary sources (church records, citizens' registers, …)?

In this case the marriage actually took place on 18 Jan. I am not sure if 12 Jan actually was a proclamation - or just the date of some sort of correspondence. "eingesegnet worden" is used by the pastor only for marriages taking place in another parish - usually mentioning the date of the marriage; in "your" case this date is just missing.

Gina Palmer

@WSeelentag Thank you for providing helpful and informative information in your discussion topics.

Daniel57704

@WSeelentag By chance, I came across the following wording in the marriage register of Diessbach #13, page 85 (pdf page 45), entry #8:

'Wurde allhier nach Vorweisung aller erforderlichen Scheine prostatis prostandis ehel[ich] eingesegnet:'

On the other hand, at the bottom of the same page, there is a wedding that took place in another parish:

'Wurden laut Scheins von ... Schweizer in der H[eilig] Geistkirche zu Bern ehel[ich] eingesegnet:'

So in both cases the same wording was used, which should actually be different. Did the reverend perhaps simply not follow the rules or were they dropped at a later date?

Daniel57704

Sorry, I forgot to post the URL for the marriage register mentioned above (if you land on the first page of the document, you will have to scroll to page 45 manually.): https://www.query.sta.be.ch/Dateien/18/D94651.pdf#page=45

WSeelentag

These are two different situations:

1) The wedding took place in Diessbach in 1830 - after all the required Scheine had been handed in.

2) The wedding had taken place in Bern (Heiliggeist-Kirche) - and a corresponding note (a Schein) was sent to Diessbach, where the marriage was also recorded.

So Schein had a different meaning in the two entries. In both cases a couple got married, was eingesegnet.