Need Danish Marriage Translation
I am looking for the marriage of Ane Frederikdatter,about 1781 – 3 June 1820, L5V7-RM2. Census 1801: Maribo, Fuglse, Østofte, Bandholm Bye, , 4de familie, FT-1801, B8838 shows: Friderik Andersen 54 Gift Mand Gaardmand (1st time married)
Karen Jørgensdatter 55 Gift Kone (2nd time married)
Ane Frideriksdatter 19 - Datter
In Østofte Parish marriage records I found Ane Frederiksdatter in 1802, entry #10 but can't read more than her name and that she's from Bandholm. What is the groom's name, the date of the event and any other important information?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G94W-D92T?i=313&cc=2078555&cat=307216
Thank you for your help!
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Hans Niesen wife and Anne Fridrichsdatter could be 2 different people here (or the same).
Nr 12: Hans Nielsen (25 years) & hustru [wife] coming from Søllested to Skørringe, Gaardfæster.
Nr. 13: Anne Fridrichsdatter (31 years) coming from Østofte to Skørringe. Tjenestepige.
It lists the last parish they came from: Not where they are born. Unfortunately we don't have any lists of moving before 1814.
Churchbook of Skovlænge-Søllested-Gurreby Sogne:
[In] 1813 d. 4. Juni mødte ungkarl Hans Nielsen af Tjennemark [Stokkemarke Parish].....
..Anna Fridrichsdatter, enke efter Mads Jørgensen af ?.....? [could it be Kastager in Horslunde Sogn or Utterslev Sogn]....
Ægteviede i Søllested kirke d. 10. Juli 1813. [So married in Søllested just before going to Skørringe Sogn]
Source (page 90, mid left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118375#155707,26021497
So in Kastager in Utterslev Parish a Mads Jørgensen and Anne Fridrichsdatter gets a son in 1805
Utterslev Sogn.
Døbt: 27. Oktober 1805 i Utterslev Sogn.
....Inders[e] i Kastager, Mads Jørgensen og kone Anne Fridrichsdatter, søn PEDER [Madsen], fød d. 3. Oktober 1805. [So he is born 3. October 1805 in Kastager in Utterslev Sogn]
Source (page 221, right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119489#158203,26566567
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Confirmed 1820 in Utterslev Sogn.
Nr 66: Peter Madsen i Kastager.
Parents: Mads Jørgensen og Anne Fridrichsdatter inderste i Kastager;
siden faderens død [since the death of his father !!] affødt hos Anders Jensen Hjulmand ibid.
Source (page 10, nr 66): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21943661#435219,79112939
NB: So Peder Madsen has a deceased father!
Census 1801 only has 1 Mads Jørgensen i Utterslev Sogn and he is in Kastager !!
Census 1801: Maribo, Lollands Nørre, Utterslev, Kastager Bye, , 7, FT-1801, B5134
Jørgen Andersen Krog 41 Gift Huusbonde Bonde og Gaardbeboer
Karen Pedersdatter 61 Gift Hans Kone
Mads Jørgensen 20 Ugift Deres Søn [so must be married between 1801 and 1805]
Anders Rasmussen 4 Ugift Deres Datter Søn
Grete Hansdatter 23 Ugift Tienestepige
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Copuleret [= Married] d. 22. Juni 1805 [in Utterslev Sogn].
Ungkarl Mads Jørgensen Krog og pigen Anne Fridrichsdatter ?paa? Wintersborg, efter Kongebrev.
Source (page 220, mid right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119489#158203,26566566
So she work on a mansion: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vintersborg
But we are not any closer to her birth -> the got married through a "kongebrev" which made it possible to be married without a betrothal and without performing it in the bride's parish (both we seemingly see in this instance)!
If 31 years old in 1814 she should be around 22 years old in 1805 and born around 1783....
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I can't thank you enough for going beyond the extra mile to research these records! I would have needed your help reading the marriage record even if I had found it. It's difficult. Your translation is such a blessing. I suspected Ane Fredericksdatter had another marriage, and I'm so happy you found it and their son! I really appreciate all you have done for me!
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Census 1787: Maribo, Lollands Nørre, Løjtofte, Lille Løjetofte, , 5, FT-1787, B4198
Fridrich Borre 34 Gift Hosbonde Bonde og gårdbeboere
Malene Rasmusdatter 32 Gift Madmoder
Jens Fridrichsen 2 Ugift Deres barn [Fridrich Borre og Malene Rasmusdatter]
Rasmus Fridrichsen 1 Ugift Deres barn [Fridrich Borre og Malene Rasmusdatter]
Karen Fridrichsdatter 8 Ugift Deres barn [Fridrich Borre og Malene Rasmusdatter]
Anne Fridrichsdatter 5 Ugift Deres barn [Fridrich Borre og Malene Rasmusdatter]
Hans Andersen 15 Ugift Tienestedreng
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid364370
This Anne Friderichsdatter was problematic to check since the Løjtofte + Herredskirke church books all burned in 1818 (so everything before that in these parishes are gone).
BUT we can try with finding a probate......
Wintersborg, Sæbyholm og Christiansdal Godser
Register til skifteprotokol (1760-1799)
Probate Marlene Rasmusdatter. Wife of gaardmand Friderich Bendixen Børre.
Wester Carlebye. 1798. Folio 809.
Source: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=22918371#487414,86790137
Skifte: 19. April 1798. [Baron Wintersborg was present]
...hos Huusmand Friderich Børre i Wester Carlebye [Herredskirke Sogn]....afdøde hustru Malene Rasmusdatter....(probate held 30 days after her death).
Den afdøde har avlet med enkemanden
4 sønner:
Jens Friderichsen, 13 Aar.
Rasmus Frederichsen, 12 Aar.
Jørgen Friderichsen, 7 Aar.
Hans Friderichsen, 5 AAr.
samt 3 døttre:
Karen Friderichsdatter, 16 Aar.
Marie Friderichsdatter, 15 Aar.
Malene Friderichsdatter, 9 Aar.
Source (page 312, right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=22918250#487415,86790449
NB: So this mean that Anne Friderichsdatter born around 1782 must have died here before 1798, so she can also be ruled out (even if the church books had been lost)!
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Hi Joellen.
It was a really tough nut to crack, but it was very fortunate that it was possible. I do love a good mystery to solve, so I couldn't resist! Also if one doesn't have extensive experience with Danish records it would have been impossible to figure out.
I think you missed the translation of Anne's baptism, so I'll give it again with a clear heading.
Baptism of Anne Frederiksdatter in Halsted Sogn.
Døbt 1. Søndag efter Hellige 3 Konger [1. sunday after epiphany) d. 13. Januar [1782]
Frederik Frederiksens datter af Hellinge kaldet ANNE [Frederiksen].
Source (page 91, second entry top right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17115609#508892,24475643
NB: Hellinge is a small hamlet within Halsted Sogn where Frederik Frederiksen had his farm.
PS: Some websites of genealogy of modern Danes from Lolland, who both descents from Anne Frederiksens sister Karen Frederiksdatter [but they don't seem to have worked further back from her than I managed to].
Source: https://www.birketarkiv.dk/index-filer/Page6386.htm
Source: http://agerspris.dk/index-filer/Page22864.htm
Cheers Niels
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Fredagen d. 5. November [1802] ?indfandt? sig unge karl Anders Michelsen af Barup som declarered at har indgaaet ægte skabs løfte med pigen Ane Frederichs datter af Bandholm, hvilket er baade afprøvede ?..? tillyst. VIEDE d. 10. December [1802].
[Witnesses]: Frederich Andersen, Bandholm [Bride's father] & Jørgen Michelsen, Østofte [perhaps grooms brother?].
Friday the 5th of November the young farmworker ["ungkarl" also means unmarried] Anders Michelsen af Barup [perhaps Barup, Lillebrænde Sogn on Falster?] who declared he had made a betrothal of marriage promise to the farm girl, ["girl" means she is unmarried] Ane Frederichsdatter af Bandholm, which had been tested and proclaimed. Married 10th of December.
NB: It was tradition that were married in the Bride's parish.
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NB: It's not Barup but Paarup, which lies within Østofte Sogn.
Unge karl above only denotes unmarried in this case, as he is "gaardmand" and land-soldier [drafted, not professional].
Census 1801: Maribo Amt. Fuglse Herred. Østofte Sogn. Paarup Bye.
Anders Mikelsen 26 Ugift [unmarried] Mand Gaardmand, LandSoldat [11 years in 1787 below]
Dorte Pedersdatter 62 Enke [widow] Mandens Moder [his mother]
Anders Jørgensen 7 - Brodersøn [So a son of his brother Jørgen Michelsen]
Jens Svendsen 18 - Dreng
Petir Jørgensen 12 - Dreng
Kirstiane Jørgensdatter 26 - Pige
Mads Klemensen 66 Gift Mand Inderste
Ane Karen Pedersdatter 61 - Kone
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid1647528
Census 1787: Maribo, Fuglse, Østofte, Paarup Bye, Gaardmænd, -, 1, FT-1787, B2616
Michel Andersen 66 Gift Husbonde Bonde og Gaardbeboer (1st marriage)
Dorthe Pedersdatter 50 Gift Hustrue (1st marriage)
Karen Michelsdatter 16 Ugift deres Barn
Peder Michelsen 20 Ugift deres Barn
Anders Michelsen 11 Ugift deres Barn
Jens Larsen 26 Ugift Landsoldat, Tienestefolk
Malene Olsdatter 18 Ugift Tienestefolk
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If we have the right Ane Frederichsdatter, then she doesn't die in 1820:
Census 1834: Maribo, Fuglse, Østofte, Paarup, en Gaard, 101-F1, FT-1834, B9321
Anders Mikkelsen 59 Gift Gaardmand [fits with being 26 in 1801 census]
Ane Frederiksdatter 52 Gift hans Kone
Peder Andersen 21 Ugift deres Børn
Ane Sohfie Andersdatter 12 Ugift deres Børn
Anders Dideriksen 28 Ugift Tjenestekarl
Kristiane Frederiksdatter 18 Ugift Tjenestepige
Hans Hansen 11 Ugift Pleiesøn
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid2740903
Census 1840: Maribo, Fuglse, Østofte, Paarup Bye, en Gaard, 84-F1, FT-1840, B9360
Anders Mikkelsen 66 Gift Gaardmand
Ane Frederiksdatter 59 Gift hans Kone
Peder Andersen 27 Ugift deres Børn
Ane Sophie Andersdatter 18 Ugift deres Børn
Ane Kirstine Micaelsdatter 4 Ugift Pleiebørn
Ane Kirstine Larsdatter 6 Ugift Pleiebørn
Karen Marie Danielsdatter 18 Ugift Tjenestefolk
Peder Jensen 20 Ugift Tjenestefolk
Peder Danielsen 16 Ugift Tjenestefolk
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid3917957
Census 1845: Maribo, Fuglse, Østofte, Paarup By, (1,) 1 gaard, 1, FT-1845, A4022
Anders Mikkelsen 71 enkemand [widower] gaardmand her i sognet
Peder Andersen 32 gift hans søn [Anders Mikkelsen] her i sognet
Ane Jørgensdatter 24 gift hans kone [Peder Andersen] her i sognet
Jens Carl Pedersen 2 ugift deres søn [Peder Andersen og Ane Jørgensdatter] her i sognet
Stine Larsdatter 11 ugift pleiebarn Nebbelunde, Maribo Amt
Peder Jensen 25 ugift tjenestekarl her i sognet
Ole Rasmussen 17 ugift tjenestekarl her i sognet
Kirsten Rasmusdatter 22 ugift tjenestepige her i sognet
Kirsten Jensdatter 18 ugift tjenestepige her i sognet
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid4962259
NB: So she dies in Østofte Sogn between 1840 and 1845.
Died: 16. May 1844 in Østofte Sogn.
Buried: 22. May 1844 in Østofte Sogn.
Name: Ane Frederiksdatter.
Gaardmand Anders Mikkelsens kone i Paarup.
Age: 63 years
Died of: ?...? Brystsvaghed [old name for "lungebetændelse" = Pneumonia]
Source (page 22, nr 9): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21583802#352856,70295614
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NB: It seems that "brystsvaghed" was much more common for Tuberculosis!
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Thank you for your extensive research. This proves this is not my Ane Frederichdatter, L5V7-RM2. On 29 Dec. 1819 she is listed as the mother of my Lisbeth Hansdatter and Ane's husband is Hans Nielsen Kok. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QG8W-WBJR I'm having trouble finding their marriage.
Moving in to Skørringe Parish in 1814:
(image 126)
#12 Hans Nielsen, age 25 from Søllested Parish
and #13. Anne Fredricksdatter, age 31, from østofte Parish. Because she was 31 in 1814 I thought Hans Nielsen Kok may be her second husband, but that could be wrong. The moving record only says she was moving from østofte - not that she was born there. I may be on the wrong tract! Since they were coming from different parishes I thought they may not be married when they moved into Skørringe but there is no marriage record there.
Do you have any suggestions?
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We do know now, that it is NOT the Ane Fredrichsdatter from Bandholm, who is the mother of Lisbeth.
The problem is the many people from far and wide came to work at the big mansions, so the without any information on the marriage in 1805 [no origin and no father or brother as witness] it makes it almost impossible, sadly.
They arrive from Skørringe Sogn to Stokkemark Sogn in 1817.
nr. 15: Hans Nielsen. Indsidder. [No age]
Nr. 16: Anne Frederiksdatter. Hans hustrue. [No age]
Source (page 6 top): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21943633#434751,79097475
NB: So they miss the extraordinary census in Stokkemarke Sogn in 1814. [One of the only parishes where is was done; because the country was bankrupt. So the next countrywide census had to wait for 1834]
This one are some possible regional candidate, but impossible to prove (she could come from Jutland or Germany]:
Census 1787: Maribo, Lollands Nørre, Løjtofte, Lille Løjetofte, , 5, FT-1787, B4198
Fridrich Borre 34 Gift Hosbonde Bonde og gårdbeboere
Malene Rasmusdatter 32 Gift Madmoder
Jens Fridrichsen 2 Ugift Deres barn [Fridrich Borre og Malene Rasmusdatter]
Rasmus Fridrichsen 1 Ugift Deres barn [Fridrich Borre og Malene Rasmusdatter]
Karen Fridrichsdatter 8 Ugift Deres barn [Fridrich Borre og Malene Rasmusdatter]
Anne Fridrichsdatter 5 Ugift Deres barn [Fridrich Borre og Malene Rasmusdatter]
Hans Andersen 15 Ugift Tienestedreng
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid364375
NB: She is local. Løjtofte Sogn is just south of Utterslev Sogn. No trace in Løjtofte in 1801.
This one from 1801 also at the north coast of Lolland, but further east.
Census 1801: Maribo, Lollands Nørre, Birket, Ravnsby, , 5, FT-1801, B5125
Rasmus Jørgensen 45 Gift
Inger Poulsdatter 60 Gift
Ole Jørgensen 21 Ugift
Hans Jensen 14 Ugift
Rasmus Rasmusen 10 Ugift
Ane Fridriksdatter 21 Ugift (Tjenestefolk)
Birthe Pedersdatter 14 Ugift
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid1293353
Census 1787: Maribo, Musse, Toreby, Flintinge Bye, -, 87, FT-1787, B3851
Friderich Johansen 30 Gift Mand Inderste og Daglejer
Johanne Hansdatter 42 Gift hans kone
Anne Friderichsdatter 4 Ugift datter
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid325747
NB: This one can be ruled out, because she is alive in 1834!
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Lolland Sønder Herred.
Skifte (probate) 23. Juni 1820.
..afgangne Anne Fridrichsdatter, indsidder Hans Nielsens afdøde hustru i Tjennemarke.
..afdødes efterladte Børn.
Af 1ste ægteskab [Mads Jørgensen]:
1 søn: Peder Madsen, 14 1/2 Aar.
1 datter: Anne Marie, 12 1/2 Aar.
og af sidste ægteskab med enkemanden [Hans Nielsen].
1 søn: Niels, 6 1/2 Aar.
1 datter: Grethe, 4 Aar.
1 datter: Lisbeth, 1 1/2 Aar.
Source (page 46, left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17021622#130712,33935097
NB: These are Anne Fridericsdatter's living 5 children at her death in 1820!
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You're amazing! I only had three children - two that I had found! I would have never found the probate. I need to figure out how I can attach this source. Thank you so much!
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Just a typo: Lisbeth was off course only 1/2 year old in 1820.
You can save or print it (so long it is for personal use) besides having the fixed link to it.
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FOUND HER ORIGIN!!
Had some amazing luck, thanks to Erik Brejl's extensive probate transcriptions of essentials!
Maribo Byfoged.
Skifteprotokol. 1770-1814.
202 Karen Markusdatter, ugift tjenestepige i Maribo. 3.6.1805, fol.420, 436B.
Arvinger:
1) halvsøster gift med Ravnholt, væver i Avnede, begge døde.
1 Barn:
Lisbeth Ravndal g.m. Frederik Frederiksen i Hellinge [i Halsted sogn].
3 Børn:
1 Kirsten Frederiksdatter g.m. Henrik Christensen i Hellinge
2 Anne Frederiksdatter g.m. Mads Jørgensen i Kastager [i Utterslev sogn] ] [THE PROOF !!!]
3 Frederik Frederiksen.
Formynder: stedfar Mads Olufsen i Hellinge.
Source: https://www.brejl.dk/maribo.html
So a relative died as a servant girl in Maribo [unmarried and without children].
Karen Markusdatter only had a halfsister as relative -> but both the halfsister and her husband had died.
The halfsister had 1 living daughter: Lisbeth Ravndal who had married Frederik Frederiksen in Hellinge (Halsted Sogn): They got 3 children where Anne Frederiksdatter is the second child married to Mads Jørgensen in Kastager!
NB: The probate is from the 3rd of June 1805 and Anne Frederiksdatter is first married to Mads Jørgensen the 22. June 1805 in Utterslev -> but it seems everyone knew it was about to happen, so it was written into the probate [they probably had applied for a "kongebrev" and was waiting to see if they got approval].
Had Karen Marcusdatter died just some weeks earlier we could never have proven Anne Frederiksdatter's origin!!
HERE IS THE CORRECT ANNE FRIDRIKSDATTER IN CENSUS 1787:
Census 1787: Maribo, Lollands Nørre, Halsted, Hellinge, , 6, FT-1787, B5688
Fridrik Fridriksen 44 Gift Hosbonde Bonde og gårdbeboer
Lisbeth R?.?holdtsdatter 42 Gift Hans koene
Kirsten Fridriksdatter 9 Ugift Barn
Anne Fridriksdatter 6 Ugift Barn
Fridrik Fridriksen 1 Ugift Barn
Christen Madsen 20 Ugift Tienistekarl
Anne Madsdatter 23 Ugift Tienistepige
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid396991
NB: Impossible to say if the patrynome of Lisbeth is "Reinholdsdatter" here [the probate name of Lisbeth Ravndal probably is either a surname or where she is from (or both).
Census 1801: Maribo, Lollands Nørre, Halsted, Hellinge, , 9, FT-1801, B7674
Fredrik Fredriksen 59 Gift Huusbond Bonde og Gaardbeboer (2nd marriage)
Ane Marie Hansdatter 25 Gift Hans Kone (1st marriage)
Kirsten Fredriksdatter 22 Ugift Hans Barn (of 1st marriage)
Fredrik Fredriksen 14 Ugift Hans Barn (of 1st marriage)
Ane Lisbeth Fredriksdatter 2 Ugift Begges Barn (of 2nd marriage)
Lisbeth Hendriksdatter 1 Ugift Datteren Kirstens uægte Barn
Jens Hansen 23 Ugift Tienestekarl
Ane Larsdatter 17 Ugift Tienestepige
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid1500637
NB: Lisbeth has died and Frederik Frederiksen has married again.
Anne Frederiksdatter is not home anymore.....
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Døbt 1. Søndag efter Hellige 3 Konger [1. sunday after epiphany) d. 13. Januar [1782]
Frederik Frederiksens datter af Hellinge kaldet ANNE [Frederiksen].
Source (page 91, second entry top right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17115609#508892,24475643
Confirmation in Halsted Sogn in 1796.
Nr 9: Anne. Friderik Friderichsens datter (+ unreadable whereabouts).
Source (page 159, top right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17115609#508892,24475713
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Based on the confirmation record you found, I believe I found the christening record for Anne Frederiksdatter in Halstedt. It shows she was born 13 January 1782. Is there anything else that looks important? Can you read the farm name? I don't see the mother's name.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L94W-DH5S?i=90&cc=2078555&cat=259755
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Halsted Sogn: [Wedding of Frederik Frederiksen & (Marie) Lisbeth Reinholdtsdatter.
Løverdagen [= modern Danish "Lørdag" = Saturday] d. 24. Julii [1777] trolovede Friderik Frideriksen, væver og pigen ?Marie? Lisbeth Reinholdtsdatter af Avnede.
[Witnesses] Reinholt Wæwer [Modern Danish Væver = Weaver] og ?Ole Sok? i Hellinge.
Source (page 64, mid right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17115609#508892,24475618
NB: The Weaver Reinholt must be the father of (Marie) Lisbeth and she marries Frederik Frederiksen, who also works as a weaver at this time.
Halsted Sogn: [Burial of Lisbeth Reinholdtsdatter]
Løverdagen d. 24. September [1795] fast Jord paa Frederik Frederiksens hustrue af Hellinge.
- 43 Aar gammel.
Source (page 156, 2-last entry right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17115609#508892,24475710
NB: Lisbeth ?Reinholdtsdatter? [Anna's mother] was probably a whole lot older than that [42 years in census 1787].
Halsted Sogn: [Burial af Frederik Frederiksen]
Løverdagen d. 7. Martÿ [1801 ] med ?sang? og ringen begravet Frederik Frederiksen af Hellinge.
- 59 Aar gammel.
Source (page 185, 2-last entry left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17115609#508892,24475739
NB: So he died just a month after the census of 1801.
Lisbeth's possible parents:
Census 1787: Maribo, Lollands Sønder, Avnede, Vester Aunede, , 6, FT-1787, B5690
Reinholt Væver 60 Gift Hosbonde Huusmand og Væver
Valborg Christensdatter 59 Gift Hans Kone
Ane Kirstine Persdatter 21 Ugift Tjenestepige Væver
Karen Andersdatter 23 Ugift Tjenestepige Væver
Niels Hansen 4 - Dattersøn
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Niels,
I really can't adequately thank you for figuring out this puzzle. You found far more than I could have. I don't know the Danish language and can only pick out names, dates and sometimes places. The probate records are well beyond my skill level! Thank you, too, for translating so I can understand the records correctly. I hope you will be blessed for all of the help you've given me!
Joellen
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Joellen
Thanks for the kind words!
Good luck with further research.
Cheers Niels
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