One person, two IDs...
My daughter created a tree on her account. Now that I have my own FS account I'd like to do the same. However, my account assigned me/my FS account with a new ID number thats different from the one on my daughter's account thus preventing me from accessing or loading my personal data and my deceased husband's side of the family into my account. Is there a way for me to replace my new ID with the original ID? How can i solve this issue?
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What you are seeing is normal and required behavior in Family Tree. Due to privacy considerations, only the person that created a living individual in Family Tree can see that record. This means that your and your daughter will need to both create records for any living people you want to see in Family Tree. You and your daughter will see different ID numbers because of this duplication.
You and your daughter will be able to see the same deceased individual and there should only be on ID for each of them. If you have a deceased individual with two different ID numbers, you should merge those two records.
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@HABritton1 HABritton1
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FYI
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DO NOT panic ...
Everything is normal ...
It may not seem like it; but ...
All is well ...
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In "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' ...
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You will NOT 'see' a "Relationship" with your immediate (and, STILL) "Living" Family members, in relation to their unique 'FamilySearch Person Identifier' (PID); as, they are STILL "Living", when they have their OWN 'FamilySearch' Accounts.
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Quickly ...
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You (now) have your own 'FamilySearch' Account and exist in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' with your OWN unique 'FamilySearch Person Identifier' (PID), that ONLY you get to 'see', along with yourself.
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Your Daughter has her own 'FamilySearch' Account and exists in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' with her OWN unique 'FamilySearch Person Identifier' (PID), that ONLY she gets to 'see', along with herself.
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Likewise ...
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If, your OTHER ("Living") Family members have their own 'FamilySearch' Accounts; and, exist in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' with her OWN unique 'FamilySearch Person Identifier' (PID); then, they ONLY get to 'see' their own PID, along with ONLY themselves.
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In your case, you have a personal "Copy" of your, "Living" Daughter; and, OTHER ("Living") Family members, that RESIDE in the "Private Spaces" of YOUR 'FamilySearch' Account - that ONLY you can 'see'.
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Likewise, your, "Living" Daughter; and, OTHER ("Living") Family members, have their OWN personal "Copy" of the VARIOUS "Living" individuals/persons, that connect/link you together, in their "Private Spaces", of their OWN 'FamilySearch' Accounts - that ONLY they can 'see'.
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And, 'Yes', ALL those VARIOUS "Living" individuals/persons that connect/link you together, WILL be "Duplicates" - But, that is OK (and, NECESSARY); and, CANNOT be avoided - due to "Privacy".
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Confused ... you probably will be ...
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Most new (and, some old) Users/Patrons DO NOT understand the basic nature and premise of "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch', when they join in.
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[ Continued in "Part 2"]
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Brett
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@HABritton1 HABritton1
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[ Continued from "Part 1" ]
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Furthermore ...
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Please let me explain ...
[ Please bear with me ... I am very 'Verbose' ... that is my 'Style' ... ]
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We do not have our OWN "Tree" in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
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We ONLY have "Branches" (ie. Ancestral" lines), that are interconnected, in this SINGLE "One" World "Tree", for all of us, that is "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
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"Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' is NOT like 'On-Line' "Websites" (eg. "Ancestry_com"; or "MyHeritage_com"; or, the like); and/or, 'standalone' personal (computer) programmes (eg, the OLD, now no longer supported, "PAF"; or, "Ancestral Quest"; or, the like).
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We DO NOT have "Private"/"Personal" 'Trees' in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' like other 'On-Line' "Websites"; and/or, 'standalone' personal (computer) programmes.
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We do not even, own; or, manage; and, are NOT even responsible for, the "Deceased" individuals/persons in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
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And, in fact, we do not even, own; or, manage; and, are NOT even responsible for, our OWN "Deceased" Ancestors in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
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We can certainly "Watch"/"Follow" them in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'; and, address/fix any 'wayward' alterations; but, that is it.
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"Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' is built on a "Open Edit" Platform - hence, why any registered User/Patron can "Edit" (ie. Add, Delete; and/or, Change) ANY "Deceased" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
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You can certainly "Merge"/"Combine" any "Deceased" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' with another "Deceased" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch', regardless of who the User/Patron was that initially created those "Deceased" individuals/persons; as, they DO NOT reside with the User/Patron who initially created them - they are "Public".
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If fact, you can ONLY see "Deceased" individuals/persons in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'; except, with this 'rider', that you can ALSO only see "Living" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' that YOU created; as, they reside in your "Private Spaces".
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No other User/Patron can see ANY "Living" individuals/persons that were created by another User/Patron; as, they ONLY reside in the "Private Spaces" of the User/Patron who created them.
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We CANNOT even see the ACTUAL Record in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' of our IMMEDIATE Family (eg. Spouse; Children; Parents; Siblings; ETC; Etc; etc) if they are "Living"; and, they have their own 'FamilySearch' Account.
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Of course, you can create your "Living" Family members; and, record them in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'; but, they will ONLY be seen by you:
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▬ You cannot "Share" them with any other User/Patron.
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▬ You cannot "Merge"/'Combine" them with any other "Living" individual/person residing in the "Private Spaces" of another User//Patron.
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There is CURRENTLY no mechanism in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' for Users/Patrons, to "Share"; or, "give permission" to "Share", the "Living" individuals/persons in their own "Private Spaces" with/between other/another User(s)/Patron(s).
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There are a myriad of "Privacy" Laws within the many various Countries and Unions throughout the World - it is a nightmare to negotiate.
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"Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' is used in many Countries and Unions throughout the World; and, as such, must adhere to the myriad of "Privacy" Laws throughout the World.
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Hence, "Privacy" is one of the reasons that we cannot "Share" the "Living" individuals/persons in our own "Private Spaces" - it is NOT the ONLY reason; but, certainly has a bearing on the matter.
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Another factor is that such would have to be 'Coded'/'Programmed' into the Programme that is "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
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'Yes', these "Living" individuals/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' WILL, in fact, in many (most) cases will be "Duplicated" - unfortunately a necessary situation that currently cannot be avoided.
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I know that there are "Duplicates" of the "Living" ME - at least, one for my Wife and each of our Children, not to mention my other ("Living") extended Family members.
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Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch' in regard to "Private Spaces" and "Living" individuals/persons:
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Who can see my living relatives in Family Tree?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/who-can-see-my-living-relatives-in-family-tree
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How does Family Tree protect the privacy of living people?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/what-is-a-private-space-in-family-tree
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What Family Tree features are available in my private space?
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Can my living relatives share a Family Tree private space to work together?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/share-a-family-tree-private-space-with-family
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Can I transfer my Family Tree private space to another user?
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And ...
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Here is a good place to start, with how things work in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' (and, other programmes as well):
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Overview
'FamilySearch'
"Family Tree"
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/overview
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Getting Started with Family History
Here are the main things you need to know as you get started
https://www.familysearch.org/home/etb_gettingstarted
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How to Use the Family Tree
https://www.familysearch.org/blog/en/how-to-use-family-tree/
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What is The Family History Guide?
https://media.familysearch.org/what-is-the-family-history-guide/
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The Family History Guide
Introduction
About The Family History Guide
https://www.thefhguide.com/introduction.html
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The Family History Guide
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I hope this helps.
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Brett
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Hi! If I understood you correctly, deceased persons should have only once ID and can be 'ported' to any tree, while living persons must be entered in individually/manually each time and as such may have multiple IDs in the system. Thanks so much!
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"You can certainly "Merge"/"Combine" any "Deceased" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' with another "Deceased" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch', regardless of who the User/Patron was that initially created those "Deceased" individuals/persons; as, they DO NOT reside with the User/Patron who initially created them - they are "Public".
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No other User/Patron can see ANY "Living" individuals/persons that were created by another User/Patron; as, they ONLY reside in the "Private Spaces" of the User/Patron who created them.
We CANNOT even see the ACTUAL Record in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' of our IMMEDIATE Family (eg. Spouse; Children; Parents; Siblings; ETC; Etc; etc) if they are "Living"; and, they have their own 'FamilySearch' Account.
Of course, you can create your "Living" Family members; and, record them in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'; but, they will ONLY be seen by you:
▬ You cannot "Share" them with any other User/Patron.
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▬ You cannot "Merge"/'Combine" them with any other "Living" individual/person residing in the "Private Spaces" of another User//Patron.
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There is CURRENTLY no mechanism in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' for Users/Patrons, to "Share"; or, "give permission" to "Share", the "Living" individuals/persons in their own "Private Spaces" with/between other/another User(s)/Patron(s).
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Yes', these "Living" individuals/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' WILL, in fact, in many (most) cases will be "Duplicated" - unfortunately a necessary situation that currently cannot be avoided."
Based on the above quotes I do believe I got it. Thanks!
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By George, I think you've GOT it!
Here's one more fun fact that is sometimes missed. Anyone who becomes a member of the church gets a PID record created associated with their church records, even if they do not have a FS account. Then, where a member opens a FS account, that PID record that was previously created for their membership is the one that is placed into their account. So in essence, they have the only "true" record in the system of themselves. All others would be duplicates.
This may not seem significant until you consider any live ordinances that that person has had completed. Ordinances are not shown on living persons, so even that member cannot see his own live ordinances in the record for him in his FS account. But unlike all his relatives that may have created duplicates of him in their private spaces, his PID record is the ONLY ONE that has his ordinances attached to it.
So when that person passes away and the ward clerk updates his church records showing him being deceased, his PID will appear in the public part of the FSFT and all church members will be able to see his ordinances. And when everyone else who had created duplicates of his PID mark their versions as deceased, they also will appear in the shared part of the FSFT. But none of those records will have his ordinances attached to them. So when they are then merged with his original PID the ordinance information will all be visible still.
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Just be be perfectly clear there is no confusion, deceased persons are not "'ported' to any tree." All deceased persons exist in one, single tree that we all work on together. When you link a living person only you can see with a deceased person we all can see, you are not bringing that deceased person into your tree, you are joining into our common community tree.
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Excellent! You sealed the deal and now I KNOW it. Many thanks!
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No confusion. Brett helped me understand the community aspect of how it all works. I punctuated and used the word 'ported' because I couldn't think of a better word at the time. Perhaps better to say 'pulled'?, 'beamed'?, 'viewed'?, still not sure, but I hope you understand what I meant. Thanks.
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You (now) have your own 'FamilySearch' Account and exist in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' with your OWN unique 'FamilySearch Person Identifier' (PID), that ONLY you get to 'see', along with yourself.
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Your Daughter has her own 'FamilySearch' Account and exists in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' with her OWN unique 'FamilySearch Person Identifier' (PID), that ONLY she gets to 'see', along with herself.
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Likewise ...
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If, your OTHER ("Living") Family members have their own 'FamilySearch' Accounts; and, exist in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' with her OWN unique 'FamilySearch Person Identifier' (PID); then, they ONLY get to 'see' their own PID, along with ONLY themselves.
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In your case, you have a personal "Copy" of your, "Living" Daughter; and, OTHER ("Living") Family members, that RESIDE in the "Private Spaces" of YOUR 'FamilySearch' Account - that ONLY you can 'see'.
That's it! Perfect! Thanks Brett!
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Yea, "viewed" is probably the best. In fact, ALL person records are recorded and linked into the single, shared FS FamilyTree. It's just that the way they are viewed can be different. Records of deceased persons are visible to everyone. Records of living persons are only visible to those who've created them and system Admins. "Deleted" (a.k.a. "archived") records are visible to everyone that knows how to find them, but they are invisible to normal database searchs, displays (e.g., pedigree charts), and hinting functions.
But they are all there hooked together, only with their visibility limited in some cases to different patrons.
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Grateful for the clarity, thanks so much!
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You've got two issues going on here.
First, with living individuals only the person who created the entry should be able to see it. So your daughter can see her version of you and you can see the version of you that you created. They cannot be combined until after you are no longer living. There may be dozens of entries for you as other children, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. may have entered you in their family trees.
Your husband's entry should be easy to enter. In your entry for you Click Add Spouse then click By ID Number and add the ID number your daughter created for your husband. Now your husband's side of the family should be connected to you.
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