Craig County Oklahoma
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Ok. My brain is fried,my eyes are on fire. Been staring at this screen since 6am reading probate records....😱🤯😡🤬😖 very frustrating. But I got to read a lot interesting stories ... and I found THIS!!! It’s dated August 4, 1980 and signed by three judges. It was mixed in with some records for Craig County, Oklahoma (dated 1918). I wonder if there’s one of these for every Oklahoma county? And if so, I wonder how I could find it? And if so, would something like this help folks like myself and @Jim Kilby with the county courts for our searches for our deceased adopted relatives records? What do y’all think?
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It looks like births prior to 1953 aren’t sealed. I have a call in to an Attorney at DHS. They are supposedly going to call when they return from vacation. I was told that adoptions are filed at the probate desk. So, I’ve been asking court clerks to look at their probate index for Lois. Josephine’s adoption is listed in the probate index. However, I’ve called all the court clerks in central Oklahoma counties and Tulsa looking for the filed probate. I’ve gone through 6 counties so far.
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That letter signed by the judges is for the Genealogy Society of UTAH (the Mormons). I doubt they would only microfilm Craig County.
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@X24mom I found the grave of JFK's first wife Mae Bingham. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/52166506 Apparently her maiden name was Smith and she had 10 children other than the two given to the orphanage.
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The Genealogy Society of Utah was expanded in the 1990's, by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and became FamilySearch. So, these filmed records would be listed in the FamilySearch Catalog.
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I wonder if she was able to keep the other ten children?
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@Jim Kilby Her record is with Oklahoma county tell them you want case# 2911 from 1916 listed under Kilby, Joe.
It’s in appearance docket book #9 - I have read in some places that older records (like ours) are at the National Archives. But I get frustrated trying to find anything on their site
Also,who said cases prior to 1953 aren’t sealed? Or are you getting that from what i posted?
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Wow that’s a lot of kids lol!
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Yes @Jim Kilby most or all of the records we find on fs or ancestry were filmed by them. My point is, some records prior to 1953 for other counties were still marked as restricted not filmed. I’m wondering if a letter like that exists for the other counties and if so, would it help you and I in any way. 😂 I know I’m grasping at straws here but I’m willing to try anything lol
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@X24mom X24mom I've been told that Oklahoma adoptions are filed at the “probate desk.” If you remember Josephine Kilby was listed in the probate index of Oklahoma County. I’ve called about 6 Oklahoma counties so far asking 1) do you have a probate index, and if they do, 2) do they have a listing for Lois Kilby. Once I find the county where the probate lies, then a similar letter would help.
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That’s what the letter said...I thought.
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About the letter, it might be worth a shot to try using it as a way to get into the records, but my guess is that they will tell you that this letter was permission for filming only. (You know they are the legal system, so they will stick to technical wording.) However, if the records are filmed, it may take old fashioned searching to find the record that you want. FamilySearch has had a lot of volunteers index many records. When we find records that aren't indexed, we learn the value of indexing.
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yes all were filed through probate. That’s the records I’ve been going crazy searching! 😊 we will find her I just know we will 😊
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I initially thought I might try to contact one of them to see if they knew anything about Lois but that, in itself, would probably be as difficult as finding Lois.
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I read that letter to say adoptions weren’t sealed until 1953.
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Have you found an obituary for Rae? It might list her children's names and city of residence. FindaGrave indicates that several of her children are deceased, so you are probably looking for her grandchildren. Obituaries are one of the best tools to track living people.
Another place to check is FamilyTreeNow.com You can often find names, addresses, phone numbers, relatives and acquaintances at this free site.
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I believe she was born Smith. Somewhere in my search she’s referred to as Smith Bingman. Does that mean her maiden name is Smith? Also, as I remember, I found something listing her father’s name..Smith. If I remember, tomorrow i’ll see if I can find the reference again.
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It says they can only film the adoption records prior to 1953 which are part of a probate file (i.e. death). So if a person's will was filed with court and the will said the minor children shall be adopted by the closest living relative, when the executor filed the final paperwork with the Court proving that he'd completed all the instructions in the will, the executor would include the adoption order. Make sense?
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I agree with Carolyn, the Church would not have sought an order in only one County. If their request was granted in any other county in the state, the Church would have filmed those probate records and they would already be in the FS browsing catalog. I think trying to file public record requests with every county looking for such Motions filed by the Church might be a poor use of your time. And what would be the point? If you find a court order granting permission but those probate records aren't on FS, you can't make them go film them for you.
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Forget all of today's posts about Mae Bingham....She's the wrong one. We're back to only know Mae Bingman name and we only have that from the marriage certificate to JFK. She died in Santee California (near San Diego) sometime after 1975. In 1975 she was going by the name Mae Cole.
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The thing about the letter is this .... i don’t think it will help us at all because if the records were filmed they would be here correct? Or are there Records somewhere that haven’t been posted online? That’s what we need to find out. It’s my understanding that the laws in OK changed since then (1980) and they changed the law to state that all records and anything related to the records are sealed. So whatever was filmed by these guys is probably our best resource as far as online searching goes
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I agree. I was hoping maybe there still somerecords somewhere that hadn’t been uploaded to the site:/ I’m always grasping at straws 🤣
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I am closing this post. I look forward to continuing this discussion with a new question in a new post.
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