Ottenbach ZH - marriage - 1701 - Hug & Berli - Hans & Elisabeth

Kent Gardiner

This is the marriage of Anna Hug's parents. Anna is Jakob Sidler's wife.

Hans Hug and Elisabeth Berli marriage 25 January 1701 film 8014328 page 358

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sueungricht

This is pretty self explanatory.

Hans Hug, occupation is a smith, from Ottenbach, and Elsbetha Berzli from Ottenbach.

You know all of this information without even asking. Have a nice day.

Kent Gardiner

https://community.familysearch.org/en/profile/sueungricht Thank you! KG

WSeelentag

Just a word of caution: Hans Hug may have been a smith - but this was not necessarily the case. Note that it doesn't say "Schmid" but "Schmids" - this is the line's "nickname" (Übername) to help identify the groom. This nickname certainly indicates that at least one ancestor had been a smith - and professions often were handed on to sons - but this was not always the case.

Note also that with just one exception (Chir. for Chirurgus, something special) professions were not mentioned for the grooms - but more identifications like "Altlis", "im Tobel", "Clausen Kilchmeyers Sohn" or "Schulmeisters Sohn".

WSeelentag

Looking once more at this page from the marriage register, I feel the pastors were somewhat inconsistent with the spelling of surnames. On 25.01.1701 (#2) we have as bride Elsbetha Ber?lin - not sure what letter that should be between r and l … doesn't really look like a "German z" - but have no better suggestion. Two entries down (#4) we find that spelling again - for the groom. On 06.12.1698 we first have a Hans Jogel (=Jacob) Berlin (female form?) and then (same day) Jogel Huug/Haug(?) "Schmids" (likely a brother of Hans), married to another Lißabeth Berlin. We just have to keep in mind that spelling wasn't fixed then - the most common version (and also the spelling today) would be Berli. There are several marriages with Beerli in EDB - but they almost completely originated from a region today belonging to canton St.Gallen (parishes then ruled by Zürich).

Be careful: we have two grooms Hug on that page (Jogel and Hans, likely brothers), both getting married to an Elisbeth Berli - shouldn't get mixed up.

I have summarized the data known to me on Hans Hug (1670-1742) oo Elisabetha Berli.

Kent Gardiner

WSeelentag I have no idea how you get so much done and so well arranged and organized. It is a blessing to me. So, do you know any Berli descendants in your area? Thanks

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I don''t think it says anything about being illegitimate but here is the birth of Hans and Elisabetha's first child:

WSeelentag

Why would you consider an illegitimate birth? Married in Jan, birth in July - bride was pregnant when getting married (so the Marital Court would look at it), but definitely not illegitimate.

In the phone directory you find 6 Berli residing in Ottenbach - but I don't know any Berli at all: also, Zürich is not "my" area 🙂.

Kent Gardiner

https://community.familysearch.org/en/profile/WSeelentag Thanks for the link to the phone directory. When we were in Ottenbach in 2019 the retired Principal of the school told us there were a number of Scholl's still living in Ottenbach. However when I searched the directory it said there were none living in Ottenbach. Strange. It did find 6 nearby.

Speaking of out of wedlock. The researcher you suggested I use to Find the Marital Court entry for Johannes Sidler b 1777. Can you suggest some else or should I contact the Zurich Archives? Kent

WSeelentag

The researcher you suggested I use to Find the Marital Court entry for Johannes Sidler b 1777.

Was that myswisspast … and you didn't come to an agreement?

Can you suggest some else or should I contact the Zurich Archives?

You find a list of alternatives on SGFF.

The people at Zürich Archives have not been very helpful recently - told me to come to the archive and search myself - but you can try.