Affoltern am Albis ZH - marriage - 1668 - Schneebeli & Suter - Heinrich & Anna

Kent Gardiner

WSeelentag

You find the link to the transcription in the Ehedatenbank on

https://community.familysearch.org/discussion/comment/574780#Comment_574780

There is no further info in the record.

Kent Gardiner

WSeelentag

Is the name Schnebelin a derivation of Schneebeli or a completely different surname?

WSeelentag

Schnebeli is an old spelling of what is officially today Schneebeli.

The "…in" at the end of a surname indicates a female. If the name ends with an "i" there is no double "ii".

Note that in this marriage record the name is spelled "Schneewelj" (EDB always gives standardised spellings): spellings were not fixed at the time, the pastors used the spellings they liked ;-).

Kent Gardiner

https://community.familysearch.org/en/profile/WSeelentag Thanks, I really wondered about that!!!

I found Heinrich and Elsbeth's eight children's birth records. Are you interested in them for the Forum? It seems like a lot of work to translate so I'll leave that up to you. I wanted to list all of Elsbeth's (b 1713) siblings on her webpage and on FS.

"the spellings they liked" 😂 Very funny thought. How true.

All the best, KG

WSeelentag

I have just come across the Familienregister Affoltern from 1748

It confirms our findings and also indicates what I had already assumed - an intermarriage with Urmi of Baregg. The family lived in premises "beim Schützenstand":

Also interesting is the register - listing several nicknames:

I have summerized the information on Heinrich Schneebeli oo1707 Elsbeth Schneebeli; summaries of the two sons' families will follow.

List of all children of Heinrich & Elsbeth: don't post all images (if Affoltern I can view them online) - just post the list of names with dates - will help to complete the forum contribution.

WSeelentag

May I quote part of the previous post - just in case you missed it?

List of all children of Heinrich & Elsbeth: don't post all images (if Affoltern I can view them online) - just post the list of names with dates - will help to complete the forum contribution.

Kent Gardiner

WSeelentag

Sorry I did this at 6am and then my wife and I spent the last 8 hours organizing our garage. When I saw your post above I looked and realized that I forgot to hit the post button. Thanks for the reminder. KG

Thanks for everything!!!

Loved the 1748 documents!! Wonderful work! I posted them on Heinrich's page:

https://www.gatheringgardiners.com/2020/02/heinrich-schneebeli-1671-1741.html

Heinrich and Elisabeth's children:

1. Margret Schneebeli b 17 April 1707- d 12 d Dec 1708 

2. Hans Jacob Schneebeli  18 Dec  1708 -  19 Feb 1709

3. Katharina Schneebeli b  24 Jun  1710- ?

4. Heinrich Schneebeli b 19 Jan 1712  - 3 Sep 1712

5. Elisabeth Schneebeli 28 Nov 1713 - 28 Nov 1765

6. Heinrich Schneebeli b 15 Nov 1716 - 25 Mar 1796 married Anna Urmi 28 Mar 1746 and had 8 children (Anna born in Knonau)

7. Barbara Schneebeli b 19 Nov 1719 - d 15 Nov 1716 married Jakob Zimmermann and had 4 children

8. Hans Heinrich Schneebeli b 25 Mar 1723 - d 25 Mar 1796 married Anna Barbara Schneebeli 18 June 1791 and had 7 children

9. Rudolf Schneebeli b 16 Dec 1725 - d 15 Mar 1781 married Katharina Zimmerman 3 Dec 1787 and had 1 child

WSeelentag

Thank you very much for the names & dates - have been added to Heinrich Schneebeli oo1707 Elsbeth Schneebeli … will check the baptismal entries in due course.

You write "8. Hans Heinrich Schneebeli b 25 Mar 1723 - d 25 Mar 1796 married Anna Barbara Schneebeli 18 June 1791 and had 7 children". Please, note that according to the Familienregister HH Schneebeli (1723) married Regula Zimmermann (link to the Familienregister). Have you listed the children somewhere - and what is the source of this information (own research or …)? I don't find a corresponding marriage in EDB.

Kent Gardiner

https://community.familysearch.org/en/profile/WSeelentag The dates were taken from FS but I do have all their birth entries.

WSeelentag

17.04.1707 Margret, + 12.12.1708

1707 den 17 des Aprelens: Margaret

Mr. Heinrich Schnebelis Schuhmacher im Haslt / Anna Hurter

So this Margret is not a daughter of Heinrich and Elsbeth Schneebeli

Correct date (entry right side same page)

1707 den 31. 8bris: Margaret

Heinrich Schnebelis Hafners / Elsbet Schnebelin

Mr. Hans Jacob Bähr Jägers, Zimmermann / Margaret Winkelmann, Mr. Jac. Hugens Hausfrau (oo 21.03.1682)

No death/burial entry 12.12.1708 found in Affoltern.

What is the source of your information?

Affoltern 29.03.1698 Schneebeli, Heinrich, "auß dem Hasel", getraut mit Hurter, Anna, "auß dem Zwilliker Dörffli"

Affoltern 01.02.1707 Schneebeli, Heinrich, "Haffners", getraut mit Schneebeli, Elisabeth, "Schmidhansen Rudi"

WSeelentag

Found this:

WSeelentag

18.12.1708 Hans Jacob, + 19.02.1709

1708 18. Christm(onat): Jacob Hans

Heinrich Schnebeli Hafners / Elsbet Schnebelin

Hans Jacob Bähr Jägers, Zimmermann / Margaret Winkelmann, Mr. Jacob Hugens Färbers Frau

1709 19. Horn(ung): Hans Jacob Schnebeli

Mr. Heinrich Schnebelis Haffn(ers) järiges(?) Söhnlein

"Jährig" would mean roughly 1 year old - so I'm not sure at all.

WSeelentag

24.06.1710 Katharina

1710 den 24. Brachm(onat): Katharina

Heinrich Schnebeli Haffners / Elsbet Schnebelein

Hans Jacob Bähr Jäger(?) / Katharina Freÿ des Trechsler Müllers Frau (I cannot identify this couple).

This is followed (N.B.) by a description of this year's weather conditions.

WSeelentag

19.01.1712 Heinrich, + 03.09.1712

1712 den 19. des Jänner: Heinrich

Heinrich Schnebeli Haffners / Elsbet Schnebelein

Heinrich Winkelmann Stabhalter und Fendrich des Freÿen Amtes / Elsbet Weiß des Küeffer Weißn Tochter.

1712 den 3. 7bris: Heinrich Schnebeli

Mr. Heini Schneebeli, Haffners, Söhnli

WSeelentag

19.11.1719 Barbara oo 1746 Jacob Zimmermann

1719 den 19. 9bris: Barbar(a)

Mr. Heinerich Schnebelj Maurer / Elßbeth Schnebelj

Mr. Heinrich Eprecht [Epprecht] Glaser (likely husband of Anna Schneebeli) / Barbara Suter von Hedingen

Marriage Affoltern 26.01.1746

Kent Gardiner

WSeelentag

Wolf, I added all your translations to my website. Great work, very interesting.

One question: In the Forum under Heinrich b 1716 you say his father Heinrich was: Master craftsman, bricklayer, church administrator,  (Deepl) and under Heinrich b 1683 family entry you say he is Meister, Hafner or a potter.

I must be missing something?

WSeelentag

Father: Heinrich Schneebeli, Meister, Hafner, ≈ Affoltern 15.04.1683, + Affoltern 14.03.1751

Son: Heinrich Schneebeli, älter, ≈ Affoltern 15.11.1716, … [Meister, Maurer, Ehger., Kirchenverwalter, + Affoltern 24.01.1791]

Whatever is in one line, refers to the one person described - not the father - this includes the link to the father via "Sohn des …". If you are looking for info on the father, follow the link - will not be repeated in the son's contribution.

[Ergänzungen] indicates that this info is not from the quoted source (Familienregister), but supplemented from other sources - in this case the burial record.

Kent Gardiner

WSeelentag That is helpful. I will remember that in the future.

WSeelentag

16.12.1725 Rudolf oo 1754 Catharina Zimmermann

1725 den 16. Xbr: Rudolff

Heinerich Schnebelij Hafner / Elßbeth Schnebeli

Rudolf Schnebeli cogn(omen) [nickname] Schmidhansen / Verena Zimmer(mann) Peters filia [daughter]

You find Rudolf Schneebeli in the Familienregister on Seite 82 (pdf-page 62).

Marriage Affoltern 19.02.1754:

Rudolf: b. 16. Dez. 1725; Hafner; Mr. Heinrich Schneebelis, Hafners, sel. Sohn; verkündet 10. Febr.

Catharina: b. 30. Jan. 1729; Mr. Leonhard Zimmermanns, Schuhmachers, Tochter

Kent Gardiner

WSeelentag Wolf, Many thanks.

Duly added to Heinrich Sr. webpage. Is your plan to translate all the children? I have detailed copies of them all posted. You probably do too. Is the plan for the Arhives to put all records online eventually? That would be a great service.

I don't want to overwhelm you but I also have:

1722 Anna Urmi baptism 22 July Father Hans Jakob mother Cathri Kleiner Knonau film page 167

We have done so much Barrage, my thought is you might want to translate that too. Let me know and will post it.

All the best, You had an amazing weekend of translating and working with records!! KG

WSeelentag

You find Anna Urmi with her husband Heinrich Schneebeli, incl. links to her parents.

Other siblings:

Elsbeth (1713) has been dealt with.

Not sure about Heinrich (1716) and Hans Heinrich (1723). They have their own contributions - did I not post transcriptions before?

BTW - have you checked your statement "Hans Heinrich Schneebeli b 25 Mar 1723 - d 25 Mar 1796 married Anna Barbara Schneebeli 18 June 1791 and had 7 children" yet? It is in contradiction to the Familienregister! It would also be unusual to marry aged 68 - and then have 7 children 🤔.

"Barbara Schneebeli b 19 Nov 1719 - d 15 Nov 1716 married Jakob Zimmermann and had 4 children" … death date cannot be correct.

Also: no need to post Knonau records - are online now. State Archive plans to put all parishes (but not -yet- the Bürgerverzeichnisse) online - will just take some time.

Kent Gardiner

WSeelentag

Wolf, I have copied all information and translations. Very nice work. I love the information on professions. I'm glad the Archives are moving ahead with digitizing all records.

Anna Barbara Schneebeli 18 June 1791 and had 7 children"yet? It is in contradiction to the Familienregister! It would also be unusual to marry aged 68 - and then have 7 children. Highly unlikely. We would need verification for that to be true.

Regards, KG