Ottenbach ZH - baptism - 1670 - Sidler - Melchior

Kent Gardiner

First document:

https://www.gatheringgardiners.com/2019/12/melchior-sidler-1670-dec-after-1711.html

WSeelentag

den 25. t(en) Augusti [1670]

Kind: Melcher.

Elter(en): Hannß Ruodj Sÿdler Wagners Sohn hir / Margareth Grobin.

Zeügen: Melcher Schneewelj allhir / Veroneck Häberlig Küffers Tochter.

Kent Gardiner

https://community.familysearch.org/en/profile/WSeelentag Thode says Kuffer means Cooper. My ggrandfather James Gardiner was a Cooper in Dundee, Scotland.

Allhir= in this place. This is an often used term in these records. Thanks, KG

WSeelentag

Ernest Thode is usually correct 😉 - including this time.

Kent Gardiner

https://community.familysearch.org/en/profile/WSeelentag DeepL couldn't handle either of these words. 😓

WSeelentag

They are old spellings.

Try Küfer - and DeepL will find cooper.

Allhir is more complicated - modern spelling would be allhier - but that's a word no longer used … just "hier" nowadays. But you did know the meaning as it is used very frequently.

Kent Gardiner

https://community.familysearch.org/en/profile/WSeelentag I'm sure you know this but it is very difficult to replace a knowledgable human with computer learning. Yes great translations can be done, however there are so many words involving old and new meanings and spellings that I don't think you can replace the human mind. AI is great - you are better! KG