Often on the home page under tasks, you see several persons that can be submitted for ordinances, bu
I have several in this category that are clogging of my list of tasks. Would you advise ignore or reserve?
Risposte
-
There are articles on this directly from the Church, but if you ask any temple president (once they're back open), he'll also tell you the same thing. While you can still do them out of order for the deceased, it is no more appropriate to do so for a deceased person than it is for a living person. The checking process in the office at the temples is very thorough for living people, so it's virtually impossible for it to happen with us. But obviously, the temples and the Church would have a much more difficult time checking for deceased persons, so it happens relatively frequently. But those temple presidents would also tell you that the ordinance, while not invalid even if out of order, is essentially "held" until the required ordinances that precede it have been completed. It's an honor system on our parts essentially, to make sure we do them in order to the extent possible, even though we could "get away with it." It gives the deceased individual no advantage eternally - they all must be done, and as D&C 109:8 says, it is a house of order (the next to last in a series of 7 "types" of house, just before "house of God"). 😊
--Chris
0 -
Good morning @AlexRoberts AlexRoberts. There was a time in church history when some saints performed ordinances out of order. That practice has stopped.
0 -
The Church itself did them out of order years ago when they were doing name extraction, for example, in the British Isles. When they extracted marriage records, the sealing of couples were done even though none of the other ordinances had been done yet.
0 -
Thanks. This is what I have heard from my Temple President and at RootsTech 2020 from a Family Search presentation. But there they are clogging up my tasks list. I don't like having stuff on it that I really cannot do anything about. I have another one with just the last name and no sources. I think I will let the spirit guide on what to do. Don't think I will do the ordinances however. Perhaps some day the powers-that-be at FamilySearch will tighten up the algorithm for the sending messages saying ordinances are ready to be performed.
0 -
They did at once point have ordinances done out of order, but if it is possible do them in their proper order. If they are waiting on others to complete those ordinances reach out to the people who have reserved them. I have had several that I have released to people who wanted to do the ordinances and reached out to me at different times. This is a large work to be done and sometimes they will say no, but more often or not they will give it to you to be done.
They have some that will not print to be done till other ordinances are completed. I am not sure all the rules but I would do them in order.
0 -
@AlexRoberts AlexRoberts It's really gratifying to see your concern with this. That's a large concern of mine also - the fact that too many people are accepting Ordinances Ready suggestions as if they've been fully researched by some mythical person in the deep regions of the FHL, and verified as being our ancestor. I too am holding off on ordinances for some in my lines because I'm not certain enough that they're really "mine" or in the right place in the family. Over on Ancestry.com several people have a "Melvin J. Quinn" stuck in their versions of my family tree. Yet something just wasn't right about some of those trees, so I dug further. MY Melvin J Quinn was my grandfather's brother (my great uncle), who nobody knows anything about except what I've only recently discovered. I checked further - there were two Melvin J Quinns. They were on opposite sides of municipal boundary lines - one in Orange, NJ, and the other in West Orange, NJ. Looking at Google Maps, one can see that they could have walked over to see each other in just minutes - born blocks apart, and less than a week apart. It's those kinds of things that people just send up for ordinances because they're "related," without bothering to check.
I'm troubled with the emphasis on Ordinances Ready without more caution notes each time it sends us a name. Some respond with the fact that "it will all be worked out in the hereafter." True enough. But I find it disrespectful to the ancestors anxiously waiting for their ordinances to be completed (and it is VERY anxiously, replaced by unspeakable joy when completed). And from a purely practical standpoint, as you say it "clogs up" the process - there are hours spent with unnecessary ordinances, then needing to be re-done for the right person later one when discovered. We could far better use that time getting things right for the real people waiting for the key to be turned to unlock the gate.
As for the tasks list, another way of looking at that aspect of it is that sometimes those "tasks" may be inaccurate, but may actually provide some clues for something that will become relevant. At least you've got the integrity to hold off on performing ordinances that may not even be your family - as we've also been instructed by the Church. (Some listen and follow direction better than others.... 😏 )
-- Chris
0 -
Here is the applicable article from the help center to discuss most of what has been kicked around in this thread:
Why was a sealing ordinance done out of order?
Information for Members
While ordinances should be completed in the correct sequence, you may find that sealing-to-spouse ordinances have been done before the individual ordinances.
If a sealing-to-spouse ordinance was done out of order, you should simply make sure that the rest of the ordinances get done. You do not need to report the issue to FamilySearch Support. Nor do you need to redo the sealing. The sealing becomes valid after the individual ordinances are done.
This is also true of the sealing-to-parents ordinance. Since it is listed on the child's individual ordinance card, the process allows you to do the sealing-to-parents without doing the parents' individual ordinances first. As with the sealing-to-spouse ordinance, the sealing becomes valid after the individual ordinances are done.
Family name cards
Because sealing-to-spouse ordinances are printed on separate family name cards, temple staff cannot verify that the previous ordinances were done first. The member who reserved the sealing and printed the card is the only person who can ensure that the sealing-to-spouse ordinance is done in the correct order.
As a result, sealing-to-spouse ordinances are often done before the baptism, confirmation, initiatory, and endowment, even though these sealings should be done after.
Ordinances Ready
The Ordinances Ready feature allows sealings to be done before the individual ordinances. While performing all ordinances in proper sequence is preferred, it is acceptable to perform sealing-to-spouse ordinances without checking that the individual ordinances have been performed.
Extracted marriage records
In the past, many sealing-to-spouse ordinances that came from extracted marriage records were completed before the individual ordinances.
As far as those task lists go you can always reserve them and share with the temple. Then they will eventually get done after the previous ordinances are completed.
0 -
Thanks for sharing this information. It is very helpful. It outlines current policy and gives options on how to proceed. Perfect.
0 -
By the way, this is the first question I have asked the community, as I just joined early in the week. I so appreciate the helpful answers and the spirit in which they were given. Thanks so much. A big 👍 and 👌 to all.
0
