Marriage Record Translation: Joseph Hemmer and Gertrud Hemmer, Parish of Ligist, Austria
Hello,
Thank you for translating the record. I would like to know if the groom's parents Joseph Hemmer and Anna Kremser were still alive. I believe Anna died on September 26, 1839 and I don't know when the father of the groom, Joseph, died. So this would help me narrow down a time.
For Gertrud: I see she was a widow but I can't make out who her husband (Hemmer) was or her maiden name and parents' names. I see a house #2 further down in the text and can't make out a town.
Appreciate your translation!
Tammi
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Here's the translation by column:
Year, month, and day - [1860] the 20th (twentieth) of November
Place - Oberwald
House # - 2
Groom - Joseph Hemmer, the legitimately begotten son of Josef Hemmer v. Lenzbauer, a farmer No. 44 in Oberwald, and his wife Anna nee Kremser (both deceased), he is Catholic, unmarried, of [legal] age, and is currently with v. Simmerlweber in Oberwald.
Catholic [tick mark]
Age - 26
Unmarried [tick mark]
[underneath these columns] - [can't make out the first two words] of the imperial royal district office Voitsberg A[nn]o 16 September 1860
Bride - Gertraud Hemmer, the legitimately begotten daughter of the still living Simon Konrad, a farmer, v. [Rogeis?] in Fallegg, comm[unity] of Greisdorf, par[ish] St. Stefan, and the deceased Barbara nee Lechmann his wife, she is Catholic, of [legal] age, a widow, and owner of the [can't read] Starchlbauern property No. 2 in Oberwald
Catholic [tick mark]
Age - 36
Widow[tick mark]
Witnesses - Anton Sabian, small farmer, [Heg Urbarchl?], farmer
Priest - Franz Birnstiegel, chaplain
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Much thanks, Sylvia. This is such good information. The area is so small, I am finding that my ancestors are probably related to many of the families in the area. Amazing!
Tammi
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Hi, Sylvia,
I found Joseph Hemmer's death record. Can you decipher the cause of death? thank you!
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Cause of death looks like Nervenfieber = typhus.
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Okay, thank you!
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Hi, Sylvia,
This the marriage record of Maria Hemmer, the daughter of the younger Joseph Hemmer and his wife Gertraud Hemmer. I thought I would tag it along to this discussion if you wanted to refer back to anything.
Marriage date: 1900 October 1
Place: it looks like Steinberg and the house is #42
Bride: Maria Hemmer, age 34 and it looks like all the vitals fall in line with her parents. I believe they are alive and are living in House #97 in Steinberg.
Groom: Meit? Tandl, age 42, father is Michael Tandl. The vulgo is unclear. Looks like the groom was born June 14, 1858.
Thank you for translating what you can. There is a lot of detail, but I would just be happy with a translation of what is beneath the bride and groom's names.
Thank you! Tammi
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Here's the translation by column -
Date - October 1 first at Maria Hilf in Graz
Place - Hofernberg in the parish of St. Stefan ob Stainz / Steinberg
House # - 42 / 97
Groom - [Weit or Veit] Jandl, farmer's son, a legitimate son of Michael Jandl, a half farmer vulgo Wölferlbauer, in Hofernberg in the parish of St. Stefan ob Stainz, and Maria nee Hiden, both Catholic and deceased, he was born in Hofernberg in the parish of St. Stefan ob Stainz on 14 June 1858
Catholic [tick mark]
Age 42 3/12
Unmarried [tick mark]
Bride - Maria Hemmer, farmer's daughter, legitimate daughter of Josef Hemmer former farmer vulgo Starchlbauer in Oberwald in this parish, now vulgo Hammerlmichl in Steinberg 97 (new) of this parish, and Gertrud nee Hammer, both Catholic and living, she was born on 27 February 1866 in Odenwald No. 2 in this parish.
Catholic [tick mark]
Age 34 7/12
Unmarried [tick mark]
Witnesses - Anton Höller, farmer, Jakob Gupgi, farmer
Priest - with [h. ä. ?] authority P. Coelestin Höller Coop. priest of the Minorite order in Maria Hilf in Graz
[underneath the date and place columns]
Documents
[not sure what this word/abbreviation is, looks like Faxl?, but the number is sequential for the all of the marriages] 12
- Groom's baptism certificate from the parish of St. Stefan ob Stainz, dated 20 January 1888
- Confirmation of marriage proclamation from St. Stefan ob Stainz, dated 30 September 1900
- Marriage announcement from the parish of Maria Hilf at Graz, dated 2 October 1900 [line?] 1300
The groom paid the military tax.
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Hi, Sylvia,
This is a lot of good information! Thank you! One question regarding the information below. I take it they were married in Hofernberg but the reference to Graz in the date is interesting. Does this just mean the record was filed there?
Date - October 1 first at Maria Hilf in Graz
Place - Hofernberg in the parish of St. Stefan ob Stainz / Steinberg
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Under the date in the second column, it says Maria Hilf in Graz, so I think this is where the wedding took place. Also, the priest listed in the last column is from Maria Hilf. If you look at other entries in this register, there's no place listed under the date, so the assumption is that the marriages were performed locally.
If you look at the next column - Place - it refers to the bride and groom's places of birth, which are Hofernberg and Steinberg. Even though place is listed specifically as a sub-column under Groom, there is no corresponding column for the bride, so the recording cleric put them both in this column.
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Thank you, Sylvia. I can see that you are an expert at deciphering these records. I so appreciate your time.
Tammi
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When two people from different parishes get married, the marriage is usually recorded in both places. So I went to the Maria Hilf church records in Graz, and indeed there is a record for this same marriage here -
https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/graz-seckau/graz-mariahilf/1068/?pg=281
Information here is basically the same, but doesn't include all the documents that were listed in the Ligist church book.
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Oh, interesting I didn't know that. Thank you for pointing it out. It does make sense.
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