Seeking a translation of marriage record
The record in question is the first one on the page above "1827". I am looking for any information that can be gleaned from this hard-to-read record.
Also, if I am not mistaken, is there no date shown for this marriage? If so, can I assume it took place near the end of 1826?
Do you know what the meaning of the word written along the left margin could be?
THANKS
https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/deutschland/fulda/luetter-heilig-kreuz/3-01/?pg=6
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Here's the translation by column -
Groom / Völker Johann Joseph
Occupation and religion - school teacher
District court, residence, and house number - Schwäben
Parents - Joseph [looks like it's crossed out?] Hans Johannes Völker , A. Kath. Schiller
Single or widower - single
Born when and where - Hünfeld
Married with or without dispensation - without
Day, month, and year of the marriage - [blank - the last entry on the previous page is from 17 August 1826, so the only thing you can assume is that this marriage took place sometime between 17 August and 31 December 1826]
Bride - Laipold Eva Elisabetha
Occupation and religion - farmer's daughter
District court, residence, and house number - Lütter
Parents - Joh. Laipold, Klara Habersack
Single or widower - single
Born when and where - Lütter
Pastor or his proxy -
Witnesses - [written across the last two columns] Released to Schwäben to the parish of Flieden
Note - the word in the left margin is Dimissa. It is used to denote marriages that were dismissed to another parish. So in this case, since the couple was dismissed to the parish of Flieden, perhaps there is another entry for this marriage there that will give the actual date.
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@sylviaelchinger1 @Steve Schell
Sylvia was correct. Here it is recorded in Flieden. But way too much Latin for me to figure out the details.
https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/deutschland/fulda/flieden-st-goar/1-08/?pg=49
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Thank you so much; I don't know how you could read this that well! One question: is there any possibility that the groom's surname is Kolker instead of Volker? It almost looks like the scribe tried to write over and make it look like a "K". I am looking for the marriage of, what I thought was Joseph Heinrich Kolker and Elisabeth Leipold. In Elisabeth's death record in Quincy, IL, her husband is listed as Joseph Heinr. Kolker. The time frame of this record is accurate. Also, I have been looking through all kinds of church books in this area looking for them and this is the only instance I have found for a possible Kolker surname. There have been none anywhere in this area. That note at the end about dismissing the couple to another parish certainly could explain why I have found no Kolkers at all in this area!
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In the Flieden record it is written as Henricus Josephus Völker and Eva Elisabethe Leibold. It may still be your couple. Leipold is really the same as Leibold in German. Sometimes names were changed in the US so it is possible Völker became Kolker. Is it also possible that the Illinois record was misindexed and is Volker?
Edit:
This couple has a son born at the same day as your Kolkers' (24 October 1830) with the same name (Wilhelm)
See
https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/deutschland/fulda/flieden-st-goar/1-09/?pg=56
Compare to https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L1CX-4HB
I think you might have found them.
Edit to add:
Wilhelms birth was recorded twice. Also here:
It would be quite a coincidence for if your William David Kolker is not Wilhelm David Volker b 24 Oct 1830 in Fulda with same parents names (other than the K vs V), same place of birth (Fulda) and same birth date.
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V to K is not a usual letter shift from German to English. B to P or vice versa is common, same for C to K. In the marriage record in the original post, the surname for the groom does have a strange-looking V, but if you look at the parents' names, it's definitely a V for Völker. You can compare the V to the K in the mother's name - A. Kath. and plainly see the difference. I agree with @JohnsonGreg that the Quincy record was probably mis-indexed.
Here's a couple more data points to consider. This link is for Flieden in Meyer's Gaz. It shows Flieden in the Middle og Germany -
https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/10491043
And here's a link to a surname distribution map for Kolker - you can see that this surname is mostly concentrated in the north of Germany
https://legacy.stoepel.net/en/?name=kolker
whereas Völker is very common and found all over the place -
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This has REALLY been so helpful. I am really leaning toward Kolker and Voelker/Völker being the same person and just a different variation of the name. After I posted the question last night, I did find that son, Wilhelm's birth record. That find really cemented the name variation theory. I am really looking for Wilhelm's younger brother, Adam Georg born Nov/Dec 1834 but have not located that as of yet. As for the name in Quincy, I don't think it was necessarily misindexed. I just think that is the spelling they adopted here. I have numerous locat newspaper articles showing the Kolker spelling. I had not encountered the Volker spelling here in the US. By the way, Wilhelm had a son, Henry Kolker, who became a film and stage star in the early 1900s! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kolker
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Looking at the census records and the sons bios on Find a Grave is interesting. These bios can often be off a bit and theirs have some inconsistencies which might provide clues. Their bios say they are from "Grafen near Fulda,in Preuss Hessen, Bavaria". But Hesse and Bavaria are two different (but adjoining) states and there is no Grafen that I can find near Fulda. Some of the Census records also say they are from Bavaria.
Since Fulda is in Hesse but very close to Bavaria I am wondering if they may have moved to Bavaria shortly after 1830 which could explain the inconsistencies in the bios/census records. I don't see another birth (or any other records) to the Voelkers in Flieden after the 1830 birth of Wilhelm David so they must have moved somewhere. Perhaps younger son Adam George was born at some different town with a name similar to "Grafen" in Bavaria but still near Fulda. The closest I have found so far is Gräfendorf
https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/10608064
and there is a Catholic church there but I cannot find records for it.
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That Grafen has puzzled me for a time. I could not find a Grafen. I even tried Grafen, Graffen, Grassen in Meyergaz but came up with nothing. I have William's obituary from the quincy, IL newspaper that mentions Graffen and also the date of birth as 29 Oct. The record actually says 24 Oct. It also states he is the son of a schoolmaster which was stated in his father's marriage record.
As for Adam George born c. Nov-Dec 1834, I have a Quincy newspaper account stating he was born in Lütter which is where his parents were married. After marriage they must have moved back to Schwäben where brother, Wilhelm, was born. So, I am wondering if they moved back to Lütter by 1834?
The history of Hesse is quite convoluted as far as boundaries go. After the defeat of Napoleon, some of the area around Hesse were ceded to Bavaria. That could be why Bavaria pops up here.
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I found the 8 Sept 1838 death record for Heinrich Joseph Völker in Flieden:
https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/deutschland/fulda/flieden-st-goar/4-01/?pg=58
If this is your Kolker then the children Adam Georg (b~1834) and Frances (b~1837) should be in the Flieden records but I don't see them. So this is an inconsistency that suggests he is not your Kolker. On the other hand it shows he lived long enough to be the father of the children. Seems like the key is to find Adam George and Frances birth records. The death record also says something about 1 May 1837 but I can't figure it out.
Another thought: Since he died with very young children it is possible that Elisabeth remarried to someone with a surname similar to "Kolker".
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I reread the Find a Grave bio for Adam George and it says they had another brother, Joseph, who went to St Joseph Missouri. Here is his familysearch ID
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/G4NZ-BST
He was in Quincy in the 1860 census so it makes sense that they are brothers. He was born 1829. And here is a Joseph Volker born 13 Mar 1829 in Flieden to Henricus Josephus Völker and Eva Elisabethe Leibold:
https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/deutschland/fulda/flieden-st-goar/1-09/?pg=43
So now we have two children who match up.
Edit:
There is also a daughter, Anna Catharina, born 18 June 1827 in Flieden to Henricus Josephus Völker and Eva Elisabethe Leibold
https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/deutschland/fulda/flieden-st-goar/1-09/?pg=28
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I found an interesting account (originally written in 1911) in the Find A Grave memorial for Adam George Kolker's daughter:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/185719777/amelia-kolker
""The Quincy woman is the daughter of Adam Kolker, a survivor of the shipwreck, who died thirteen years ago. She desires to come in touch with the veiled woman, to get more details about the wreck. The New Era went ashore at Deal Beach New Jersey, November 13 1854."
- from an article reprinted on the front page of The Quincy Daily Whig, Thursday September 21 1911. Said article was originally published in Long Branch New Jersey on 20 September 1911.
In said article, Amelia Kolker had written to the "Veiled woman" who visited graves of the victims of the New Era shipwreck. The New Era tragedy was a maritime disaster which claimed the lives of many German immigrants. The point it went ashore was, in 1854, known as Deal Beach. 240 lives were lost."
So apparently Adam George, his siblings, and mother may have all been on the New Era. If so, it seems a miracle all survived.
https://monmouthtimeline.org/timeline/240-drown-as-the-new-era-sinks-off-deal-beach/
Maybe you can find a log of occupants for the New Era?
Edit to add:
I found a compilation of survivors names. It doesn't look like your family was on board to me:
https://theneweraprojectdotcom1.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/new-era-surviving-passengers-final.pdf
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Greg, you've been busy :) I have that article about his daughter. I am fairly sure Adam was not traveling with his family. I have an article in the Quincy Daily Whig from 1 May 1868 entitled "Perils of immigration". In it, they are talking specifically about Adam's voyage. It states he was coming alone without relatives or friends.
Your theory about Elisabeth remarrying is interesting and worth checking out. I also need to look for a possible passenger record and see who may have traveled with her.
I remember reading a lengthy article, I think in the NY Times from the time of the tragedy. They had a list of all survivors but did not see Adam's name there. It is certainly possible in all the confusion, he may have slipped by being accounted for.
Thanks for all the leads that you found. I will be busy tonight downloading those and adding to my files.
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I have one final question about the marriage record that I originally asked about [I put the link below].
Sylvia explained that the word in the left margin "dismissa" meant the marriage was dismissed to another parish. Can anyone explain what that means and why it is done? THANKS
https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/deutschland/fulda/luetter-heilig-kreuz/3-01/?pg=6
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