Determining occupation meaning on a record

Elda Stone

I'm getting back into this after stepping away for a while, because Archion recently added new church records for parishes I need. (Thank you, Archion!)

I immediately was able to find the birth record for one of my great-great-grandmothers! I've transcribed and translated most of the record, but I'd like to know more about her father's description. I knew her birthdate and birthplace of Wendelstein (that's the parish), so that helped.

It looks like it says: "konigl. Unterthaus? u.[nd] Schloßguthsbesitzers aus der Sorg". Sorg is a small location on the Meyersgaz.org map, near Wendelstein in Bavaria. Deep-L translates that as "royal lower house and estate owner from Sorg".

Can you tell me what that means, exactly, in the social structure?

It's interesting, because a few years ago I found a small notice in a German newspaper online that said this young woman and her fiancée signed a contract that "excluded the community of property in their forthcoming marriage by means of a contract notarized by me today."

Now perhaps I know why! He was a forest overseer at Schwarzenbruck and she apparently was from a higher-ranking family that didn't want her husband to have a share of her property? Does this sound right?

What is the meaning of the "Stadts. N. 28"? Were towns numbered, as well as houses?

Here's the birth/baptism record, as I read it:

p. 174, 1830, Record number 15

(right margin: Sorg, Stadts. N. 28, Haus. N. 1

Anna Barbara, des Johann Michael Kastner, konigl. Unterthaus? u.[nd] Schloßguthsbesitzers aus der Sorg, u.[nd] seiner Ehefrau Anna Margaretha, geborene Kohinn (?) von hier, eheliches 2tes Kind u.[nd] 2te Tochter, wurd geborene zweyundzwanzigsten Marz 1830, früh zwischen 6 - 7 Uhr, am 28te ….? getauft

und ver…? von Anna Barbara Schwemerinn, des Johann Schwemer, Bürg[er] u.[nd] Huf- und Waffenschmidtmeisters dahier, Ehefrau.

Anna Barbara, of Johann Michael Kastner, royal lower house and owner of the castle (or estate owner?), from Sorg, and his wife Anna Margaretha, born Kohinn (presumably the female ending ‘inn’) from here, their second child and second daughter,

born 22 March 1830 early between 6 and 7 o’clock, and baptised on the following 28th. Witnessed by Anna Barbara Schemerinn, wife of Johann Schwemer, citizen and master smith (hoof and weapon), from here.

I'm attaching the two parts of the record. It ran onto a second page.

KastnerAnnaBarbara(Babette)_birth_1830_Wendelstein_page2_Taufen_1830_1826-1845_Bild92.jpg

Thank you for your help.

Elda

Ulrich Neitzel

@Elda Stone

You did very well with your transcription. Some small corrections and additions below in bold. It's not Unterthaus, but Unterthan = subject. The line over the m in "Schwemer" means doubling the m.

Anna Barbara, des Johann Michael Kastner, königl. Unterthans u.[nd] Schloßguthsbesitzers auf der Sorg, u.[nd] seiner Ehefrau Anna Margaretha, geborene Kochinn (?) von hier, eheliches 2tes Kind u.[nd] 2te Tochter, ward geboren am zweyundzwanzigsten Maerz 1830, früh zwischen 6 - 7 Uhr, am 28t[en] ejusd getauft

und versprochen von Anna Barbara Schwemmerinn, des Johann Schwemmer, Bürgers u.[nd] Huf- und Waffenschmidtmeisters dahier, Ehefrau.

Anna Barbara, of Johann Michael Kastner, royal subject and estate owner in Sorg, and his wife Anna Margaretha, born Koch from here, their second legitimate child and second daughter,

born 22 March 1830 early between 6 and 7 o’clock, and baptised on the 28th of the same month. Promised by [i.e. godmother is] Anna Barbara Schemerinn, wife of Johann Schwemer, citizen and master smith (hoof and weapon), from here.

Ulrich Neitzel

@Elda Stone

I read the note in the margin as Etats-N. 28; not sure what it refers to.

Elda Stone

Thank you, Ulrich!

So "royal subject and estate owner" sounds like a higher social status than my other relations, who were mostly tradesmen. As a daughter, would she have inherited property?

You're right, it definitely looks like "Etats" in this and other records on the page. I've never seen that before on other parish records.

Elda

Ulrich Neitzel

Hello Elda,

I found this homepage of "Schloss Sorg": http://schloss-sorg.com/

There it says (under Geschichte/History):

Later, the "manor house" became the property of various farmers, who were therefore called "castle farmers" or "manor farmers".

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In 1853, Johann Michael Scheuerlein, a farmer and timber merchant, bought the estate and used it as a farm. It is still owned by this family today.

So it seems that Johann Michael Kastner was one of the "manor farmers". Yes, it is possible that Anna Barbara inherited property (or got it as a dowry) from her wealthy father.

Elda Stone

Oh, thanks for the link. That's very interesting to see the house. I might write to the Schloss Sorg email to see if they have any history about the Kastner family.

Definitely worth the pass I purchased again for Archion!