Help with transcription/translation of marriage of Daniel Zum Wald and Veronica Rickel at Strasbourg

Rick Saunders

Here is the link to the record:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS6L-M9G9-R

It is the third entry on the left page.

Below is my transcription and rough translation. The main thing I don't have is the word (2 words?) after the town of Barr as shown in the lines below.

Transcription [with spelling corrections]

Ao 1665 der 23 January ward zu Wolfes-

heim ein gesegnet Daniel Zum Wald von

Thun, Berner gebertig; seines handwerk

ein Zeigler; aus jetzo zu Barr -----   ------

Stephen Zum Wald seel. Ehelich sohn

Mit Jungfr. Veronica Rickel von Rohrbach,

Berner gebertig; aus jetzo zu Barr ----   -------

Peter Rickels des Wagners Ehelich Tochter

 

Rough translaion:

23 January 1665 was at Wolfisheim

was married Daniel Zum Wald of

Thun, Bern birth; his trade

a brick/tile maker; now at Barr --?-- --?—

the legitimate son of the deceased Stephan Zum Wald

with the maiden Veronica Rickel of Rohrbach,

Bern birth ; now at Barr --?-- --?—

legitimate daughter of the wagonmaker Peter Rickel

JohnsonGreg

Could it be "diensthaft"; (from now on duty at Barr)?

I see an Elisabeth ZumWald birth in Barr on 19 April 1666 (image 207 of 211)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSRP-NX2H?i=206&cat=35083

Unfortunately this is only a Register/Index so no details.

JohnsonGreg

Maybe? The google translation for "dienst haft" is "liable for service". But what it meant then is not clear to me. I couldn't find good information about living conditions and the form of government in that region at that time so I am not sure what kind of obligations they may have faced.

In my search I came across this article with a brief overview of Swiss immigration to the area after the Thirty Years War and the 1653 Swiss Peasant War. Your ancestors seem to have been part of this immigration from Berne to Alsace.

https://alsatiansettlersofshelbyandauglaizeohio.wordpress.com/history-in-alsace/

Did your ancestors happen to settle in Shelby or Auglaize County in Ohio?

Ulrich Neitzel

@Rick Saunders

I believe @JohnsonGreg is correct reading the word(s) as diensthaft. You can see that the seconnd part is -haft by comparing it to wohnhaft (residing), last word on entries 2 and 3 on the left page on image 97. The Grimm's dictionary gives (among others) the following meaning for diensthaft: jemandem untertan [sein] (be subject to someone) https://woerterbuchnetz.de/?sigle=DWB2&lemid=D09425#0.

I also think that the word after Berner is gebieth(es) (area, territory). So wording says that those people were previously inhabitants of Bern territory and are now (anjetzo) subjects of the Barr ruler(s).

Ao 1665 der 23 January ward zu Wolfes-

heim ein gesegnet Daniel Zum Wald von

Thun, Berner gebiethes(?); seines handwerk

ein Ziegler; anjetzo zu Barr diensthaft

Stephan Zum Wald seel. Ehelicher sohn

Mit Jungfr. Veronica Rickel von Rohrbach,

Berner gebiethes(?); anjetzo zu Barr diensthaft

Peter Rickels des Wagners Eheliche Tochter

Robert Seal_1

Hello again Rick,

I've tried a number of different ideas and have gotten nowhere with those two words.

Suggestion: Have you tried looking through the other records on either side of this record to see if you can find another entry for "Barr" where perhaps the two subsequent words are more legible? Better yet if you could find a Barr entry in another hand.

Rick Saunders

Thank you Greg, for the link to the indexed baptism. This would fit with the time of the marriage, and that the first known child was baptized in 1668 at Petersbach, so that would fit perfectly in that 3 year gap after they married. I see the words again on image 97, the 25 Oct. 1661 entry on the left for another locality. I take it that diensthaft would mean that they were under or liable for some type of service?

Rick Saunders

Thank you for all the answers, especially @Ulrich Neitzel link to definitions of diensthaft.

@JohnsonGreg thanks again. No they didn't settle in Ohio. They bounced around in several localities in Germany, and eventually in a couple generations were around Contwig and arrived in Philadelphia in 1737 on the Virtuous Grace. They settled in Frederick (now Shenandoah) County, Virginia, area.