Can you decipher this name?
Il nome della madre è "Degli Esposti", questo significa che il bambino fu abbandonato dalla Madre. Di solito in Italia veniva affidato questo cognome ai bambini abbandonati. Però il nome del padre non lo capisco.
https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.it/ark:/12657/an_ua17277489/5vkN6dD page: 340 ACT N° 7
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I'm not totally convinced that it is a name. It looks like it could be Pio **stitute *Padova
Maybe something like the Convent at Padua ?
As you say, the name "Degli Esposti" is usually associated with an abandoned child, although the term 'Abandoned' is not strictly accurate. Most often these were children left in the care of the church, not quite the same as left out in the open at the mercy of predators. The equivalent of "Esposito" in spanish and it has an approximation to "Foundling" in English which never seems to have made as far as a surname.
Not everybody can be John Snow ! (Giovanni Neve)
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Ok Thanks @LDS Search Test , but so in your opinion it wasn't abandoned? Perhaps the parents died and entrusted him to this convent? Is it possible to know the parents in the birth certificate even if they later abandoned him?
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The most common reason for leaving a child with the church is that the mother could not provide the necessary care, either because she had died, or because her circumstances prohibited her from raising the child. There are also some cases where the parents of the mother decided that the mother should not raise the child, and they were the ones who left the child with the church.
There are also cases where the parents were emigrating and they thought that the journey would be too risky to take their child, but they might return later or send for the child when they were able. In these cases the child is usually left with a relative, but if there are no relatives, then the parents might appeal to the church.
If the child was left with the church without a name, which we can assume from "Degli Esposti", then it is more likley that the mother was unlikely to return. So she would be anonymous. The same must be true for the father.
A different approach might be that you could try to find any news of the time: Was there a catastrophe or a deadly sickness in the region at that time ? There might be a burial of a woman whose cause of death is "died in childbirth" or a husband and wife who died in a house fire.
If you are really desperate to discover the child's ancestors, you might need to trace more descendants and then get some DNA tests. That might reveal their place of origin, but not a name.
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Hi thank you @LDS Search Test , then I know who the baby is .. it's my great great grandfather
(Demetrio-->Natale-->Luigi-->Gabriella-->Gino-->Me), I would like to understand, however, why in the marriage and children's act he is called "Carlini Demetrio degli Esposti", he has a surname and he is Carlini, if he did not have the parents he would be only "Degli Esposti Demetrio" right? as far as the search for an illness or a death in childbirth is concerned, I think it is almost impossible to find anything.
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@Matthew Clemente There are a number of conventions used in Italy that you might be able to consider...
[ shamelessly ripped from the Web ] "The first male/female is named after the paternal grandfather/mother. The second male/female is named after the maternal grandfather/mother. The third son/daughter is named after the father (named "Junior" or "the II" nowadays for the boy) or as example, Giovanna (for Giovanni) for the daughter."
.. and as you have indicated, the surname is usually written first.
So, as a starting point for further investigation, Demetrio might be named after his paternal grandfather, who would also be a Carlini. If you can find such a person in the close vicinity in the preceding years, then you could try expanding his family to cover his descendants to see what happened to them. If you find a married daughter or granddaughter who appears later with your ancestor's family, then you might be on the right track.
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@LDS Search Test Yes! Thank you so much for your help !!
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Molto interessante quello che state scrivendo , ma i bambini venivano abbandonati anche per altri motivi, perché nati da una relazione extraconiugale, ci sono diversi cognomi che sono attribuiti ai figli di nessuno, _ Rota- perché inseriti nella ruota che i conventi avevano a disposizione di chi non voleva o non poteva crescere il figlio, Degli Esposti che poi diventa Esposito anche questo ha lo stesso significato, Proietti , Colombare, ecc. Questi figli indesiderati oppure no avevano un destino non sempre facile.
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@fernanda0 Vero riguardo le relazioni extraconiugali. Per quanto riguarda il cognome hai ragione, la cosa che mi mette il dubbio è che lui ha il cognome corretto "Carlini" e ogni tanto (ma non sempre...solo in qualche atto) viene menzionato come Carlini Demetrio degli esposti. Sono molto curioso di vedere l'atto di nascita! Ho scritto alla parrocchia ma non ho ancora avuto notizie. Spero mi rispondano in fretta; se volete poi vi aggiorno.
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Buongiorno Matthew Clemente
Comunque quelle poche scritte che si leggono sono,, Pio Istituto di Padova,, e già questo è un ottimo indizio.
Perchè indica anche la città del istituto, nella mia storia Familiare ci sono diversi figli lasciati alle chiese o istituti, leggendo gli atti che trovavo c'era menzionato il nome del Istitutrice , cosa conteneva o aveva addosso il piccolo, ad esempio quelli che trovavo io c'era scritto avvolto in un cencio bianco, al apparenza un o due giorni di vita, bene in salute, purtroppo non mettevano i nomi dei genitori, anni dopo ho trovato dei registri in cui furono riconosciuti dai veri genitori. L'argomento dei figli che per un periodo venivano contrassegnati con la lettera N.N, almeno dalle nostre parte, spesse volte dobbiamo anche riflettere su quei periodi, questi bambini non sempre venivano trattati bene, spero davvero che potrà trovare tutte le informazioni necessarie per trovare quello che cerca
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The surname Esposito was assigned to abandoned children in Italy, but not in the Veneto region. Here, "del pio luogo" or other surnames invented on the spot were often used.
The surname was assigned by the person who registered the abandoned child. In this case, I read Perlini Dimetrio.
The original act can be viewed at the State Archive of Padua. In this case, the exact date of birth is given as March 3, 1871, so he was probably not abandoned in the ruota degli esposti (foundling wheel).
By presenting yourself in person at the State Archive of Padua, you can obtain further information. The register of admissions of the local brefotrofio (specific orphanage for child who still have parents alive) should be kept there, where you can read the child's story, the person to whom he was entrusted or adopted, etc.
Often abandoned children had a token of recognition with them: a medallion cut in half, or even holy cards, or even playing cards cut in half. One half was kept by the mother, in case she changed her mind in the future and came back to claim her child
Il cognome esposito veniva assegnato in italia ai bambini abbandonati, ma non nel veneto. Qui si usava spesso "del pio luogo" o altri cognomi inventati al momento.
il cognome veniva assegnato dalla persona che registrava il bambino abbandonato. Io leggo Perlini Dimetrio.
Nell'archivio di stato di padova si puo' visionare l'atto originario. In questo caso risulta la data di nascita esatta, 3 marzo 1871, quindi probabilmente non era stato abbandonato nella ruota degli esposti.
Presentandosi di persona all'archivio di stato di padova si possono ottenere ulteriori informazioni, dovrebbe essere conservato il registro di accettazione del brefetrofio locale, dove si puo' leggere la stroria del bambino, la persona cui e' stato affidato in balia o adottato, ecc ecc
Spesso i bambini abbandonati avevano con se un segno di riconoscimento: una medaglietta tagliata a meta' o anche dei santini, o addirittura carte da gioco tagliate a meta'. Una meta' la conservava la madre, nel caso nel futuro avesse cambiato idea e tornasse a riconoscere il figlio
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