Ottenbach - burial - 1831 - Sidler - Elisabetha

Kent Gardiner

Here are two burial records for Elisabetha Sidler. The first is from her hometown in Ottenbach. The Ottenbach record it says: 12 November death: 15 November burial.

In the Kilchberg record (where her second husband was from) it says burial 25 November.

Since she can't be buried in two places, please translate.

Kent Gardiner

Second record from Kilchberg.

WSeelentag

Elisabetha died in Ottenbach and was buried there.

Kilchberg record:

Elisabetha Schwarzenbach geb. [nee] Siedler

Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbachs sel(ig) [late] auf Waldi am Adlischwilerberg ehel(iche) Wittwe, starb bey einem Sohn in Ottenbach, ihrem Geburtsorte, wo sie sich seit Mannes Tod 1828 aufhielt, altersschwach, aet(atis) 83 J 11 M 2 T (b. 10.12.1747)

(Laut Zuschrift Pfarramts Ottenbach den 15.XI.1831)

Adlischwil-Berg. St(arb) in Ottenbach den 12., begr(aben) daselbst [same location = Ottenbach] 15. Novemb(er), hier verkündt (announced) Sunday 27.

Elisabetha had lived with her second husband in Adliswil-Waldi. After his death (1828) she moved back to her place of birth (Ottenbach) and lived with a son. She died there from age-related weakness and was buried in Ottenbach. Likely, as she had lived in Adliswil (and was known to the community - and, not sure at this time, had gained Adliswil citizenship by marrying an Adliswil man) this was reported to Adliswil (on the 15th) and announced on the 27th.

Ottenbach record:

Gestorben 12.Nov. 1831 / Begraben 15.Nov. 1831

Elisabetha Siedler, Hs. Caspar Schwarzenbach sel. ehlich nachgelaßene [left behind] Witwe von Adlischwil der Pfarr Kilchberg.

Alter 84 (82?) J. 11 M. 2 Tage - age looks corrected - both (82 and 84) would be wrong.

Kent Gardiner

WSeelentag

The Kilchberg record is clearly written in wonderful script/cursive. It is totally amazing to have this kind of detail on the end of Elisabetha's life. This record means a lot to me. I had no idea the Pastor would write that much specific information. It sounds like the end of a long and fruitful life.

I'd love to know the name of the Pastor in Kilchberg. I found the following. The name at the bottom of the entry might be a clue?

All the best, KG

WSeelentag

This is just a quote from Johannes VI - no clue about the pastor.

I had mentioned Zürcher Pfarrerbuch before.

Kent Gardiner

WSeelentag

Wolf: I searched in all libraries in the US and cannot find a copy of this book. Many libraries loan out books that are hard to find. You would think the FamilyHistory Library in SLC has it. But alas no. KG

WSeelentag

Long long ago I had a look at this Pfarrerbuch (St.Gallen State Archive) - starts with descriptions of all parishes, incl. listing the pastors, and then has short biographies of all pastors. I attach a sample page - the first one of the parish descriptions and only one I copied.

You could try to contact the State Archive and ask if they could send you a copy of Kilchberg and the biograpyh of the pastor in charge 1831. State Archive ZH will have the book as well, ofcourse, but SG is usually more helpful 😉. Good luck !

Kent Gardiner

WSeelentag I may have told you this before but I found a nice list of Pastors for Graben, Germany and copied it. A few months later it disappeared. The Pastor is often listed in the records themselves. I will check there first. Thanks, KG

Kent Gardiner

WSeelentag

Salt Lake City does have this book:

Geschichte der Kirche auf Kilchberg am Zürichsee : im Rahmen der Entstehung und des Ausbaues der Züricherischen Landeskirc he

Kent Gardiner

WSeelentag

1798 Pfarrer auf Kilchberg ,Name of Pfarrer or Pastor in Kilchberg who wrote burial record of Elisabetha. His handwriting is distinctive and when it changes in 1834 on page 878 it is a big change. Also found his grave marker and short bio on FindAGrave:

Kent Gardiner

WSeelentag

The inscription above reads:
Son and father were given the same
Equal lot from God bestowed
Each worked for forty years

This memorial to the community
Be dedicated to the faithful friend
God's word endures forever!
Rev. John XIV.13 John 14:13 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
(Translation: Both Father and Son suffered the same fate here on earth. Both served for forty years. This memorial, donated by the congregation, is dedicated to the faithful friend. May God's word remain forever! Rev. 14:13)Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.