Attached shows that so many items "make 1 hoedt of Rotterdam ...". I am asking whether anyone knows

LegacyUser

Attached shows that so many items "make 1 hoedt of Rotterdam ...". I am asking whether anyone knows what a "hoedt" is.

Adrien Kintziger

Depends on the location and the product, for example in Belgium it would be a size for 172 liter grains.but it differs nearly everywhere.Especially in Holland.

For charcoal it would be a size of 11,72 hectoliter per unit.

In your example 'hoed' is a new spelling of hoedt,(late medieval),and the size of one hoedt clearly differs depending on the municipality

in the (barley/example)above

 

coal

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoed_(inhoudsmaat)

 

or scroll down to hoed here

http://home.planet.nl/~dumon002/woordenboek/h.html

Adrie

 

 

LegacyUser

Thank you so much for this explanation. I continue to wonder about the origin of my last name, and this is helpful. My assumption has been that my family must have made hats or caps in Holland or the adjoining areas at sometime in the past. Hopefully, I will find out for sure and also be able to locate where my family originated from. I have records for them in South Prussia (now part of Poland) in the later 1700's , but have not been able to trace them to their origin. Again, you have my sincere thanks.

Fritz Juengling

A good place to look up old words is in historical dictionaries. The best online source for Dutch is this: - Historische woordenboeken op 

the link to which is off to the right in blue. You can search several historical dictionaries at once. Although Adrien has answered this particular question for you, keep this source in mind for other vocabulary issues that you might have.

Hope this helps.

LegacyUser

Dear Mr. Juengling: I appreciate you sharing your information with me. I will definitely use this source and trust that it will be of great help. Regards, Jeff Hoedt

Adrien Kintziger

Earlier in the thread Jeff stated...

"My assumption has been that my family must have made hats or caps in Holland or the adjoining areas at sometime in the past. Hopefully, I will find out for sure and also be able to locate where my family originated from. I have records for them in South Prussia (now part of Poland) in the later 1700's , but have not been able to trace them to their origin."

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Having some more time today to spend i did notice the importance of the location you

mention above; as 'Hoedt' is both Flemish and Dutch ,and you allocate off-spring in

Prussia.Only one type of wandering theistic suppressed groups will fit the model(given Hoedt) and Prussia.=>Mennonites belonging to the so called Oostsiedlung or Ostsiedlung, taking refuge in eastern direction.Specifically the Dutch and Flemish ones

created communities there , in Poland and Koningsbergen,with own laws and governed by them.Quite typical , comparable with the Entity's later on in Pennsylvania(Amish and Mennonites.)Their case and history is well documented on the web.For example on wiki.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostsiedlung

=> see lemma , settlers.

The article contains a universum of info.As does the next for the background info

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mennonites

 

I was on the lookout for the term and word Weichsel-mennonites as this should be the group of your interest.

They lived around the Weichsel(German naming) in Poland.

I did not find the term but it should be somwhere in the content or hyperlinks.

If you do not find it , the naming in English of that specific river is Wisla; it should show on google earth...

 

so , if you want to build search strings ,Use Hoedt mennonite ; you will see that the name is not unknown there or in their communities.But maintain the root as Dutch and Flemish.

You can also make search strings from hyperlinks.

 

I would not pursue Hoedt as Hat,or Hoedt as measure, as given the above Hoedt is probably a derivative of sheepherder, or as we say here in Belgium , "schaaphoeder"--he herds sheep, hij hoedt schapen.

Old order mennonites were sheperds, or sheepherders herding their flocks to better meadows, and in as such the 'hoeder'

hoedt zijn schapen/herds his flock.

That is what Mennonites do, and Amish,and others.(to end up in Pennsylvania)

You will find Hoedt in every branch of them.

 

Have to go now , take care.

Adrie

 

 

LegacyUser

Adrien: You are educating me well, and I dearly appreciate it. This is new information to me. I've never researched my name as being associated with the Mennonites or Amish, but I will now. Interesting enough, I grew up in Ohio, and there was a large Mennonite and Amish community there, albeit I thought that my family has been Lutheran for some generations. We even have a fair-sized Mennonite community here in Tremonton, Utah where I live and am retired at now. Thank you again. I'll let you know what success I have with my research regarding this. Best regards, Jeff

Adrien Kintziger

No problem, in the mean time i found the correct term for

what we call here the Weichsel Mennonites ,on wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistula_delta_Mennonites

 

And their local name in Poland is known as

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ol%C4%99drzy

 

You will find the Lutherans to be present among both

entity's, and one can safely assume cross-pollination.

 

Would be interesting to have Polands censusdata.