"This person was stillborn and does not need these ordinances." If a child lives a few hours, but is
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@BonnieAnderson1 BonnieAnderson1 Per the "Members Guide to Temple and Family History Work," Chapter 7:
When ordinances are not needed. The FamilySearch Internet site will indicate when ordinances are not needed for a person, such as in these situations:
- Temple ordinances are not performed for stillborn children. However, a child who lived even briefly after birth should be sealed to his or her parents. In some countries, particularly in Europe, children who died shortly after birth were often recorded as stillborn. Children listed as stillborn on records from these countries may be sealed to their parents. The FamilySearch Internet site will let you know if a sealing ordinance needs to be performed for a child who was recorded as stillborn. You should record all births, indicating any stillborn children.
Therefore your statement is correct about being qualified for at least the sealing to parents IF the child lived even only a few minutes. That would suggest to me that there is something else in that person's record on FamilySearch that the FamilySearch program is picking up, indicating a stillbirth (perhaps a source, perhaps a comment by another user that entered improper or misleading information, etc.). Would you be willing to provide a FamilySearch PID (Person ID number) for that person here? Perhaps we can help you find it. And if you have proper documentation that the child lived "even briefly after birth," at least the sealing to parents is available to that child (baptism through endowment are not required for children who died before age 8 - only sealing to parents).
I'd be surprised if FamilySearch is programmed to reject a same-day death automatically and treat it as a stillbirth - but perhaps that's the case (and an issue for correction in the program). If you've got documentation, you should be able to call FamilySearch Support (866-406-1830 at least in the U.S.) and they should be able to help you submit the child's name for the sealing to parents. And if you're not able to find anything in the FamilySearch record showing that someone entered the child as a stillbirth, they should be able to help you sort that out also - particularly if you've got a reasonable source that shows that child actually lived even minutes beyond birth. Let us know the PID (and name so we're sure we're looking at your correct person) and we'll see what we can help you find - I'm suspecting the answer is semi-buried somewhere in the FamilySearch record itself.
--Chris
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@BonnieAnderson1 BonnieAnderson1
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Bonnie
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Taking a slightly different 'tack' ...
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First up ...
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The programme of "Family Tree" of "FamilySearch" would NEVER assume an individual/person was "Stillborn".
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And, that is even if the "Birth" and "Death" were on the SAME Day.
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I have had such a situation, where the Child/'Infant' LIVED for 5 Minutes after birth.
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That Child has the SAME Day for, both, "Birth" and "Death"; and, has been "Sealed to Parents".
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Now ...
That said ...
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The ONLY reason the programme of "Family Tree" of "FamilySearch" WOULD 'know' if an individual/person was "Stillborn" was; IF, a User/Patron, INDICATED such, in the "Other Information" Section; and, under "Events", by SELECTING the "Stillborn" option; and, entering a 'Date' and a 'Place'; and, then, 'Saved' that.
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Is that the case?
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Now ...
Here is something else to consider ...
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Two (x2) "Knowledge Articles" in "FamilySearch" make the following Important Notes:
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Important: Some countries also use the term "stillborn" to apply to children who die shortly after birth. If you include the country of birth, Family Tree can determine if sealing the child to the parents is appropriate.
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Important: In some countries, children who died shortly after birth were listed in vital records as stillborn. Countries that have sometimes listed live births as stillborn include Austria, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Finland, France, German states (Baden, Bavaria, Germany, Hesse-Darmstadt, Prussia, Saxony, Thuringia, Württemberg), Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Sweden, and Switzerland. Children listed as stillborn on records from these countries can be sealed to their parents.
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Here are the "Knowledge Articles" in "FamilySearch":
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How do I add stillborn or miscarried infants in Family Tree?
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Temple work for stillborn babies
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Furthermore ...
On another 'tack' altogether ...
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'Short and Tall' of it ...
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Users/Patrons make MISTAKES.
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Simple solution ...
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IF, you are certain; especially, if you have evidence (ie. proof), that the Child LIVED, no matter how long - even just taking a breath or crying; THEN, ...
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"Remove"/"Delete" the "Stillborn" option (ie. indication), as an "Event", in the "Other Information" Section - DO NOT forget to add a "Reason Statement" as to why you are removing/deleting the "Stillborn" option.
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IF, you do such; THEN, you will be able to do the "Sealing to Parents" for that Child/Infant..
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Just some thoughts ...
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I hope this helps.
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Brett
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Thank you, the other event section is what I hadn't checked. Thanks for your thorough answer.
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It has been my experience that you have to add Stillborn in the Other Information section on the Person page for the system to know that the child was dead at birth.
Below are 2 articles from the help center that discuss this topic. The first one tells how to indicate that the child was stillborn. The second article discusses when a data problem shows that the child was stillborn and problems that may indicate why that is the case. It indicates that you cannot dismiss the problem but you can look at what you need to change to correct it.
How do I add stillborn or miscarried infants in Family Tree?
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To add information about a stillborn child, enter the child’s name, sex, birth information, and death information into Family Tree. Then add the stillborn event to his or her record. If the child lived for a short time after birth, just enter the birth and death information. Do not add the stillborn event.
If the child was never named, or the name was not recorded, do one of the following:
- Leave the child’s first name blank. Enter the father’s last name.
- If you do not know the father’s last name but know the mother’s, enter her last name instead.
- If you do not know either the father’s or mother’s last name, enter a question mark (?) as the child’s first name. Leave the last name blank.
Steps (website)
- In Family Tree on the FamilySearch.org website, navigate to the Person page of the stillborn child.
- If the baby is not already in Family Tree, add him or her to the family before you continue.
- If the Vitals and Other Information fields do not automatically show, click Details.
- Scroll to the Other Information section.
- Click Add.
- Click Stillborn.
- Enter the information and a reason you feel it is correct.
- Click Save.
How do I resolve a "stillborn" data problem in Family Tree?
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Family Tree displays the "Stillborn Problem" data problem (a red exclamation point icon) when a person's record contains a Stillborn event and the birth and death events indicate that he or she lived for more than a year after birth. You cannot dismiss this data problem.
For example, the Stillborn Problem error would appear if a person's record contained the following information:
Birth date: 18 January 1845
Death date: 29 April 1846
Stillborn: 18 January 1845
- Steps (website)Figure out whether the child was born dead. This may require research. It may require correcting a typing mistake.
- If the child lived for a short time after birth, or if there is no evidence that the child was born dead, do the following:
- Birth and death events. Make sure the dates and places are accurate.
- Stillborn event. Delete it. If the event does not contain a Delete option, add stillborn again in the Other Information section first. Then delete it.
- If the child was born dead, make these corrections:
- Birth and death events. Make sure they contain the same date and place.
- Stillborn event. Keep it. Optional: Edit to add a date and place that matches the birth and death events. If you cannot add date and place, add stillborn again with the new data.
- Explain the reasons for your changes, and provide as much evidence as possible:
- Add reason statements for every change. Explain how you know that what you are changing is correct.
- Attach sources. Provide evidence that the changes you made are accurate.
- Add notes. If more explanation is needed, add a note.
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