A couple of unusual terms from 1686 Alsace marriage record

Tom Randolph

I haven't seen these before:

• Honorifics for the two fathers: 'Ehrs und besch.' The first looks to be Ehrsam (Honorable?), but not sure what 'besch.' is the abbreviation for -- there are so many words that start with besch and none seem to fit.
• The second occupation/post for the first father (my direct ancestor) starts with what looks more like a Roman numero XIV than letters -- the W doesn't resemble the typical w's in Weyl. I scanned the other records made by this pastor, but they don't appear again like this. Looks like 'XIVeres / XWeres'. [The 'alhier' following it looks to be crossed out and corrected by 'zu Offendorf', so should be ignored.]

Suggestions appreciated!

Draft Transcription:

:Oberhoffen d[en] 11 Novembr. 1686

:Theobald ein Junger Gesell, des weÿl. Ehrs[am] und besch. Joh: Heinrich Bürgs. und XIV/XWeres?? alhier Zu Offendorff hinterl. ehel. Sohn. Und Jungfr. Margaretha des Weÿl. Ehrs[am] u[nd]. besch. Michäel Jungen Bürg[er]. Zu Drusenh[eim]. hinderl. Ehel. Tochter.

 Translation:

:Oberhoffen the 11 Novembr. 1686

:Theobald a Young Journeyman, surviving legitimate Son of the late Honorable and ?? Joh: Heinrich Citizen and ?? here at Offendorff. And Maiden Margaretha surviving legitimate Daughter of the late Honorable ?? Michäel Jung, Citizen at Drusenh[eim].

Oberhoffen-sur-Moder - Paroisse protestante (Avant 1793) - Registre de baptêmes mariages sépultures 1671-1737 - 3 E 345/1; Image consulted at https://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C342-P2-R206944#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C342-P2-R206944-2316239;

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Ulrich Neitzel

@Tom Randolph

besch. is probably bescheiden = modest, humble. I've seen this in other records as well.

I can't really help with the occupation or post.

Tom Randolph

@Ulrich Neitzel : Thanks! Yes, I'm afraid that occupation is going to be difficult to figure out!