What would this occupation/post from 1758 Alsace birth record be?

Tom Randolph

I cannot make out the occupation for the second baptismal witness's father: looks to be Schurens = Shearer? for the first word, no idea for the next two words StE or VE? wand ?en. Any suggestions? Thanks!

Draft Transcription

:321

:1758

:Den 12ten Jul: Morgens gegen 7 Uhr wurde Michel Heitz dem hiesigen Bürger von Maria gebohren Heinrichin ein Töchterlein gebohren, welches d[en] 13ten ejusd. allhier getaufft und genandt wurde

:Catharina

:Dei TauftZeugen daboÿ waren:

:1.) Valentin Schuster der hiesige Bürger u. Schumacher

:2.) Rosina Rothin, Hanß Rothen des hiesigen Schurens Ve? wand ?en ehel. ledl. Tochter.

:3.) Catharina Schusterin, Hanß Martin Schusters Sen. Ehel. ledl. Tochter.

:[signed] Michel Heitz des Vatters [MH] HandZeichen

:Vallentin Schuster als Pfetter

:Rosina Rothin als Göttel [X] HandZeichen

:Catharina Schusterin als Göttel  [H] HandZeichen

:t. Ph: G: Koenig p.t.p.

 

Translation

:Page: 321

:1758

:The 12th Jul: in the morning towards 7 o’clock, Michel Heitz, the local Citizen, with Maria née Heinrich, had a little Daughter born, which on the 13th of the same [month] was baptized here and named

:Catharina

:The Baptismal Sponsors involved were:

:1.) Valentin Schuster, Citizen and Shoemaker

:2.) Rosina Roth, legitimate unmarried Daughter of Hanß Roth, the local Shearer? ??

:3.) Catharina Schuster, legitimate unmarried Daughter of Hanß Martin Schuster Sen.

:[signed] Michel Heitz the Father [MH] His mark

:Valentin Schuster as Godfather

:Rosina Roth as Godmother [X] Her mark

:Catharina Schuster as Godmother [H] Her mark

:Witnessed Ph. G. Koenig, Parish Pastor

Archives d’Alsace; Archives Départementales du Bas-Rhin; Oberhoffen-sur-Moder - Paroisse protestante (Avant 1793) - Registre de baptêmes 1738-1768 - 3 E 345/3; https://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C342-P2-R206946#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C342-P2-R206946-2316471; Image 167 of 266; accessed 4 Dec 2023

Ulrich Neitzel

@Tom Randolph

The last part could be "verwandten". There exists a word/title "Schutzverwandter" who is basically a legal resident without the full rights of a citizen (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzverwandter) . But the first part here looks indeed like "Schurens" not like "Schutz". However, I can't find any fitting German word that is or begins with "Schurens".

Robert Seal_1

Hello Tom,

From the online site Wörterbuchnetz see the following link for the word "Schurmer": https://woerterbuchnetz.de/?sigle=ElsWB&lemid=S02223 Note that this definition is from a dictionary of Alsatian dialects.

"dasige(n)" before the word "Schurmer" in the second example translates as: there; at that place; here (from Thode).

Tom Randolph

@Ulrich Neitzel : That might be it, but what would explain the random loop in the middle of the 'ver' and the stylized loops for the 't' in 'ter' -- as if it is a capital letter. Also, I just found another record with the same witness, which just cites something like 'dasigen Schurmers'. Curious!

Tom Randolph

Hi @Robert Seal_1 - thanks for that tip. I had actually consulted that site, but didn't realize that there was an Alsace-specific dictionary there. Now I know! I wasn't able to make any sense, though, of the definition. How did you interpret it?

Robert Seal_1

Basically, some type of speaker, but it was confusing to me as well.

Tom Randolph

Thanks @Robert Seal_1 ! Will leave it as a small mystery!