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I had a week vacation this week and thought I would dig in to see if I could find some information about my family. Never did I dream I would be this successful. Thanks to everyone for your help!
This is my GGM sister’s birth record. Her official name is Maria Sofia Margherita. I can see she was born to Antonio Breda of Conegliano and Contessa Eleonora Dubrawska de SAS. They lived in building 725 in Dosoduro.
Any other information I am missing? I have down she was born on 11/27. Is that still correct?
Also, does anyone know what the SAS at the end of my GGGM name means?
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Hi Kimberly!
The information you have is correct. Only the name of the place is "Dorsoduro".
Another useful information you might already have is that she married Martin Rico in Naples on 29.3.1900.
About the SAS: I have been looking around, and maybe I've found a possible meaning.
It was a coat of arms used my some noble families in Central Europe. In the Wikipedia page you'll find a list of families that used to bear such coat of arms, and there is also "Dubrawski". It might be it.
(Another possible meaning can be Son Altesse Sérénissime — Wikipédia (wikipedia.org), but I highly doubt it because "De Sas" is clearly spelled as a surname in the birth certificate.)
Hope this helps!
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That is very helpful! I have been more successful in my searches for birth and death records, but have not found any marriage records. I’ll have to check out the records for Naples. I suspect they may only be available via church records.
That was a great find in regards to SAS! Fascinating and very exciting. I won’t know if we are related to this family until I can uncover more documentation.
Thank you!
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- Birth date is correct
- I'm not sure if Contessa is supposed to refer to an actual noble title (countess) or if that's just a first name, since Contessa is an Italian first name as well. Her husband has a fairly high-ranking position, so a noble title is not out of the question.
- I'm pretty sure "Sas" is part of her surname, so she has a dual surname. I found this on Google (https://katalogi.uj.edu.pl/discovery/fulldisplay?context=L&vid=48OMNIS_UJA:uja&docid=alma991016616467705067). I cannot guarantee that the Eleonora referred to in here is your ancestor, it could be a different person with the same name. However, this reference does prove that the dual surname Sas-Dubrawska definitely existed.
- Antonio Breda was notable too and we find some references to him online and in books. It's a bit tricky to search for these because there are other notable people with the same name, but nonetheless, we can see that he was an architect and was responsible in 1872 for the project of the Teatro comunale of Syracuse in Sicily: http://www.archiviodamiani.it/fonds/967/units/15848 He is cited on page 187 of this book https://books.google.com/books?id=JzuK-0FmVRIC&redir_esc=y as a captain already in 1863 and on page 93 of this book https://www.bdl.servizirl.it/bdl/public/rest/srv/item/2069/pdf as being from Conegliano and serving in Syracuse.
- Address is correct, Dorsoduro #725. Note that today, that address corresponds to the Palazzo Da Mula Morosini, a famous and historic noble residence: https://www.culturalheritageonline.com/location-3643_Palazzo-Da-Mula-Morosini.php To my knowledge, the address system of Venice has been stable since the early 1800s, so logically, your ancestor's sister was almost certainly born inside this palazzo.
- On the left-hand side, there is a very hard-to-read note, that seems to say that your ancestor's sister married Martino Rico in Naples on 29/??/1900.
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I’ve always wanted to know what happened to my GGGM Eleonora’s early life and have been on a quest to see if any information could be found. Family lore has always said that she came from some nobility. I have no paper trail to support that. As I understand her story, Eleanora Dubrawska was born in Poland in 1851 and by the time she was 12, her mother and sister were dead and she was sent to live with a relative (possibly a relative named Dembowski who was an astronomer) in the Dolomite Mountains. We believe she traveled from Krakow to Italy via the Austrian controlled countries. I have no further information about her life in Italy until I found her daughters’ birth records starting in 1883 in Venice. Matteo from this group found her death record as having passed away in Belluno (which I have come to understand is in or near the Dolomites). I am currently at a loss as to find out more information. There has to be some immigration records from that time? I don’t know if she was traveling with anyone else. Census records started in 1871 but more than likely mentioned the head of house (male) and could be mainly in church records. I welcome any other ideas.
Great information about Antonio. I always knew there was more to mine there but struggled with how to go about it. The records from Conegliano from the mid 1800s are difficult to research. I knew he was a captain in the military and had been to architecture school (Padua?). The family had always said he was an accomplished architect and it’s great to see some support of that. I so appreciate the links!
The link to Dorsoduro #725 is amazing! I imagine property records could be searched. I will have to dig into that a little more.
Thanks for all the insights!
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Regarding the dual surname, this is part of Spanish civil code. In the Catasto done in Cosenza, for example, there are many cases of HOHs with two last names. Either these people were from Spain or got named as such during Spanish rule pre-Napoleonic conquest. This convention survived until the early days of the civil system in that part of Italy with some of the records around 1809 showing people named like that on their death records.
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