I think I have found my Great Grandma's record on Germans to America
How can I find who she came with on the ship? I have looked at Ancestry for the Ship name and the arrival date. There are Lots of Hoffmans arriving on that date , but I cannot put them together as families.
How can I put them together as families?
Augusta Elfrieda Hermine Von Hoffman was born on 27 August 1855, in Stettin, Randow, Pomerania, Prussia, Germany.Her father is Johann Heinrich Hoffmann,. She married Friedrich Heinrich Wilhelm Schultz on 18 April 1872, in Clarks Creek, Davis, Kansas, United States. She moved from Kansas, USA, to Chicago, Illinois, USA the to Las Vegas, New Mexico, USA. They were the parents of at least 2 sons and 1 daughter. She immigrated to New York City, New York County, New York, United States in 1870 and lived in San Miguel, New Mexico, United States in 1900 and Clovis, Curry, New Mexico, United States in 1910. She died on 5 June 1928, in Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California, United States, at the age of 72, and was buried in Las Vegas, New Mexico, United States.
The following is on the record of Germans to America
Name Auge. Hoffmann Sex Female Age14 Immigration Date 13 Apr 1870 Immigration Place New York, New York, New York, United States Occupation Child, Youngster Event Type Immigration Birthplace Germany Ship Name Holsatia Birth Year (Estimated)1856 Departure Port Hamburg & Havre Literacy Unknown Destination Place United States Affiliate Manifest ID 00031506A Affiliate ARC Identifier 1746067
Thank you for any help.
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Hello @karenk
the image of the passenger list of the Holsatia is available on Ancestry: https://www.ancestry.de/discoveryui-content/view/5185168:1068?tid=&pid=&queryId=87840b766ad702095962b52bae41aaff&_phsrc=Xbk1951&_phstart=successSource
It shows Auguste together with her family:
- father Ludwig, farmer, 50 years
- mother Henriette, 49 years
- brother Emil, 25 years
- sister Marie, 24 years
- Auguste, 14 years
- brother Herrm[ann], 12 years
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Hi Karen,
You may want to reexamine your sources for your Great Grandma and consider whether you currently have the correct parents and siblings identified. Her family in familysearch (K1KW-RJJ) seems to be a combination of more than one family and there seems to be no source that connects the parents listed with your great grandmother.
She married in Geary County, Kansas in 1872 so her family was likely in that area at that time. The immigration record you found could well be your great grandmas record even though the parents/siblings listed don't match her current tree in familysearch. The family in the immigration record matches up well with this 1870 census record for Dickinson County Kansas.
Ignoring the indexing and looking at the image directly we have
LH Hoffmann age 50, (Ludwig in immigration record, H could be for Heinrich)
Mary H. Hoffmann age 49, (Henriette in immigration record)
E. H. Hoffmann age 26, (Emil in immigration record)
Mary Hoffmann age 25, (Marie in immigration record)
Rinehardt Hoffmann age 23, (immigrated earlier in 1869?)
Alfred A. Hoffmann age 14 (I believe this is your great grandmother Elfried Auguste Hoffmann but the census taker assumed "Elfried" was Alfred and therefore a boy)
George H. Hoffmann age 11 (Hermann in immigration record)
Rineholdt Hoffmann age 24 (this may be a son/nephew/other relative who immigrated seperately)
Dickinson County abuts Geary County. The Emil H Hoffmann in both records stayed in The Dickinson County area his entire life and you will find many records for him there including this Find a Grave record for his burial in adjoining Geary County.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/76537114/emil-h-hoffman
I think there is a possibility that this is indeed your great grandmother's immigration record and 1870 census record. It would be worthwhile to look into it unless you have other sources that conclusively show her parents as those listed in familysearch. In her Geary County marriage record she lists her father as Henry. For whatever reason it seems that most Ludwigs did not use the name Ludwig after immigrating to America so Henry certainly makes sense if one of his other forenames was Heinrich.
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Here is an 1875 Dickinson county, Kansas, farm census record that shows Henry Hoffmann farming 80 acres and Emil Hoffmann farming 120 acres:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS3B-7SMM-M?i=1&cc=1825178
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Thank you so much. The copied record of Augusta's father's letter giving permission to marry at age 17 is signed by .j . Henry Hoffman. I am fairly sure it is .Johann Heinrich Hoffman
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You are right. I have put Augusta and Rhienhold in the wrong family. Rhienhold and Augusta lived near each other in Chicago, Illinois. Rienhold's wife Mary helped with the birth of Augusta's children, Fred (1877) and William Oscar (1880) . I have followed Rienhold to Michigan.
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Even though Emil lived in Kansas most of his adult life I see that he actually married one of his wives (Christine Peterson) in Chicago in 1882 according to some ancestry.com trees. So perhaps he met her while visiting his siblings?
It is certainly possible that Auguste's father had the name Johann Ludwig Heinrich Hoffmann. Johann was a very very common forename.
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The ships log that Ulrich provided was documented in Hamburg when the ship departed 30 Mar 1870. When it arrived in New York on April 13th the following log was submitted:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-RW2B-4?i=403&cc=1849782
It doesn't really have any additional info but is nice to have.
I had trouble opening Ulrichs link. It thought I was in Germany. Here is a link to the record Ulrich found that should open in English. The Hoffmann family are listed on the bottom right.
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It might be that the 24 year old Marie Hoffmann listed in the immigration record is actually Emil Hoffmann's wife rather than sister. The immigration record lists her as one of Ludwigs children and doesn't list her as a frau but the 1880 census for Emil has his wife as Mary of the same age and they have a 10 year old daughter. So Maria is either his wife or he married another Mary in 1870. The 1870 census (attached in prior message) could be interpreted that Mary is Emil's wife, it is a bit ambiguous.
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This could possibly be an index of Emil Hoffman's birth record. The parents names (Johann Heinrich Ludwig Hoffmann and Johanna Henriette Marie Hoffmann nee Wedehase) and and his year of birth matches.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6FTP-P81D?treeref=GDST-HSM
It's worth investigating.
edit to add: the obituary for Emil attached to the Find a Grave record shows his name as Emil Henry Rudolf Hoffmann which matches the baptism record above.
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And this could be and index of your Great grandmothers baptism
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Excellent research, @JohnsonGreg !
Do you have access to the images of the birth records of Emil and Auguste? It would be interesting to see which church they were baptized in.
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Unfortunately, that familysearch collection is a mix of records, some with images and some only indexed. These two do not seem to have images. The collection is very large, covers a very large area and doesn't seem to provide enough information to actually find the images.
The baptism location is only described as "Pommern, Preußen" on one record but is described as "Stettin, Randow, Pommern, Preußen, Deutschland" on the other. If the location is correctly indexed I assume it was the Stettin parish in Kreis Randow but I cannot locate any images for that parish online. Perhaps they were indexed but never microfilmed? The actual records must exist somewhere.
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Thank you
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No I cannot find their German records.
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