Help with baptismal record - Kirchhofen, Baden 1805
I need some help with translating part of the baptismal record of Andreas Bleile from 10 June 1805 in the Kirchhofen Catholic church register from the Archdiocese of Breisgau, please. I believe his father's name is also Andreas Bleile and that he is not from Kirchhofen. It may be Krozingen (there is a Bad Krozingen nearby), but I'm not sure, and I cannot translate whatever else is in that column. I believe his mother is Maria Schirmann, but may have spelled it entirely wrong. Also, wondering about the names of the godparents: Fidelis .....gruber and Katherina Mos...., and the only word I can read in the last column is 'ledig.' It looks as if someone (Andreas?) has signed his name on the part of the register where the baptism is. Could someone suggest why? Thank you for your help. It's much appreciated. (I cannot provide a link because this record is restricted to use in the FHC or FHL, and last week it was visible through the FHC, but this week it was not. I have no idea why. It is image 18 of film 865585, the left side of the page, second from the bottom.)
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Hello @bjschenck1,
Translation of the complete record with column headings in bold:
Minister: parish priest.
Born: 10 June [1805].
House number: 28.
Name of child: Andreas.
Religion: Catholic.
Gender: boy.
Legitimate or illegitimate: illegitimate.
Father: Andreas Bleile from Krozingen, [who] recognized [this child as his own] by his signature.
Mother: Maria Schirmänin.
Godparents: Names and Status: Fidelis Leimgruber, married; Katharina Moserin, unmarried from Kirchhofen.
My comment: The signature is that of the father Andreas Bleile, who signed the record acknowledging that he is the father of this illegitimate child.
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Robert, thank you so very much! This makes things much clearer. I hope that the person I've been helping (an Andreas descendant) is as delighted with this information as I am. And it also explains why I haven't been able to find a marriage record for the couple!
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You're very welcome, @bjschenck1.
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The child whose baptism I was seeking information about, Andreas Bleile, b 1805 in Kirchhofen, Baden, and which @Robert Seal_1 kindly translated for me, is the illegitimate son of Andreas Bleile of a neighboring village, Krozingen, and Maria Schirmann of Kirchhofen. Andreas signed the register acknowledging his paternity. I have found no subsequent marriage between them and no further children to this couple.
The only Andreas Bleile from Krozingen I have found in the index to records of the Archdiocese of Breisgau, Baden was baptized there on 8 January 1787 which would have made him 18 at the time the child Andreas was baptised. I don't see any other likely candidates. This 1787 Andreas was the son of Mathias Bleile and Margareta Baumann. He had an older sister, Maria, born 1785, and a younger brother, Sebastian, born in 1793. According to the index to the Archdiocesan records, this Andreas Bleile (son of Mathias and Margareta) married Katharina Aich of Krozingen in 1820. Sebastian married in 1834 and both brothers and their families emigrated from Baden, settling in Erie County, Pennsylvania. I have only found these records in the index so far because they need to be viewed at the FHL or my local FHC which I cannot get to until next week.
But my question now regards the social context of the time and place where the Bleiles lived and how it might have affected the possibility of Andreas and Maria (parents of the baby) marrying. My understanding (which is definitely not profound) is that there were many obstacles to marriage for young people with limited resources in the 18th & 19th centuries in what is now Germany, but specifically in this case, Baden.
Could someone with greater understanding comment on the likelihood that this Andreas (born in 1787 and thus only 18 when the baby Andreas was baptised) might be his father but have been unwilling or unable because of societal or community constraints to marry Maria Schirmann, the boy's mother? Is this a reasonable theory to explore?
If he was not the father, how far afield should I be looking for other Andreas Bleiles who could have fathered the boy? And if he was the father, what, if any, relationship might he have been expected to have with his son or is there any way of knowing this?
There seems no doubt because of the naming of his parents, that the 1787 Andreas married Katharine Aich/Eich in 1820 in Krozingen and that the family emigrated in 1834. Sebastian, the brother born in 1793, according to his Pennsylvania obituary, served in Napoleon's army for several years. I have found no evidence yet that Andreas did the same.
Any comments on the community or society expectations or limitations at the time would be most appreciated, and any suggestions of good books or articles to explore the time and place further would, likewise, be very welcome. Thank you for any comments or direction provided. And much gratitude again to @Robert Seal_1 for his help with the details of the 1805 baptism of Andreas Bleile.
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