Orphanage and life in Germany
I know this is a long shot. My grandma was born in 1932. She was in an orphanage for a while before she was fostered by a wonderful family. I’m trying to find what orphanage she was at. She was born in Wiesbaden, however when she was “adopted” but never legally due to how long ago it was, she moved to barstadt/ Schlagenbad. I would love to know where she was before they adopted her and I’d love to know about her parents that raised her. I want to find out as much as i can, just seems they didn’t have anyone do any genealogy. I can’t find her adopted parents when i google them. She just passed away and I’m feeling lost without her, never went more than a week once a year if that without seeing her everyday. Trying to just get to know her before life better.
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@PABulfinch thank you so much. I have great news. I found the letter i think from the state about her if i could get someone to translate it(:
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She was always told by her birth mother, her dad died in war. He’s not on her birth certificate however my cousin in Germany, the family that took her in and loved her, had this document which makes it seem like that’s her father if i understood my cousin correctly. Then i found this online about him. Not sure if it’s the same person however.
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Hello @Bailey74 ,
This is a verdict of the district court in Hochheim which sentences the laborer Johann Ludwig Dreisbach in Flörsheim, Wickererstrasse, to pay alimony for Ilse Helene Wolf, his illegitimate daughter.
The alimony until the age of 16 amounts to 96 Reichsmark quarterly in advance. In addition, 200 Reichsmark educational allowance, payable in 8 quarterly installments of 25 Reichsmark each from the age of 14.
I can't see the other image, unfortunately.
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Hi Bailey,
Ancestry has a death record for a Johann Ludwig Dreisbach of Flörsheim who died in battle 12 July 1943. His birthdate was 30 August 1911 (in Flörsheim). It certainly matches up well with information you have.
It lists his father as Mathias Dreisbach. His mother Barbara Elisabeth Nicht? (this is how it was indexed but I'm not certain of the surname). I tried to decipher more from the record but had too much difficulty with the handwriting.
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Edit: looking at the record again Johann Ludwig Dreisbach was a resident of Flörsheim but his place of birth is different, it looks something like Kostheim but the handwriting is difficult for me.
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This may or may not be his father's birth:
Mathias Dreisbach birth 18 Dec 1889 in Flörsheim, parents Philipp Dreisbach and Anna Maria Gossenauer (Gohsenauer?)
Philipp Dreisbach and Anna Maria Gossenauer on familysearch
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Wow!! This is awesome!! PaulaAnn :)
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@Ulrich Neitzel @JohnsonGreg thank you guys so much. Do you know if his payment went to her birth mother or the orphanage? And why he wouldn’t be on the birth certificate? Does it say he lived in florsheim or was he born there?
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There is no mentioning of an orphanage in the verdict, just of the "Jugendamt" (Public Youth Welfare Office) which is often engaged for children in difficult life conditions. The payment was certainly made to the person who took care of the child while she was still a minor.
For illegitimate children the father is normally not mentioned on the birth record unless he recognizes the child as his. In this case his paternity was determined first with the court case.
Johan Dreisbach lived in Florsheim at the time of the proceedings; according to his death record he was born in Mainz-Kostheim, a few miles further west.
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@Ulrich Neitzel thank you so much.
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@JohnsonGreg is ancestory something i should have and be paying for?
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Whether it is worthwhile to pay for Ancestry really depends upon how deep you want to get into your geneology. It's a bit different than familysearch. Each person sets up their own family tree instead of one universal tree. They do have some records that are not on familysearch (and vice versa). There is an additional fee on top of their regular fee in order to access "world" records so you can't see the German records without paying extra.
But you never really know whether they will have many records on your ancestors. They won't have the recent records on Else Wolf that you are seeking.
I think they still offer a 14 day free trial with total access. It might be worthwhile to pick a two week period when you expect to be able to spend a lot of time on it and sign up for the trial. That will give you an idea whether it will be worthwhile to sign up for a longer period.
I'm going to send you a message on the family search message system in a bit.
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I'm not sure how far back you want to go but I also found Johann Ludwig Dreisbach (as Hans Ludwig Dreisbach) in a German geneology site:
https://gedbas.genealogy.net/person/show/1275654866
On this site you can click on the parents/spouse/siblings/children names to get the page for that person. It gives his mother as Barbara Licht (not Nicht as was Indexed on Ancestry). Looking at Johann Ludwig Dreisbach death record confirms that the "L" in Ludwig matches the "L" in Licht so Licht is correct. It gives Barbara Licht's parents as Johann Licht and Katharina Licht.
This Barbara Licht and many of her ancestors back to the mid 1700s can be found on familysearch. She is ID# GXH9-GVK.
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/GXH9-GVK
By the way, if this tree is correct then we are distant cousins. Your 7th great grandparents Adam Licht (LYW6-VQD) and Barbara Quare who married in 1780 are my 6th great grandparents. So we are 7th cousins once removed.
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@JohnsonGreg @PABulfinch @Ulrich Neitzel i would like to thank you all so very much. I lost my grandma this year and a big piece of me is missing. However with all your help and extra documents i found her 1/2 brothers none of us knew she had. They had no idea he had another daughter out of wedlock. I have been able to FaceTime them and the dna results came back a match. It’s an amazing experience my mom and i couldn’t have had without your help. They live in Germany and want us to go visit so maybe one day that will happen. They were very happy to have more family as are we. So thank you all so very much.
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Congratulations, @Bail@Bailey74 ! That's a great success story.
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Bailey--
Thank you so much for sharing this great success story!! PaulaAnn
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@PABulfinch @JohnsonGreg @Ulrich Neitzel i can’t thank you all for your help on everything i have posted and had translated. It’s been almost a year and i have found out who her dad was. That she has 1/2 siblings, that gave me new family and a piece of her. I was also just able to track down who her birth mother was and found some pictures with a little bit of luck and messaging people who had an Elsa wolf in their tree. Someone emailed me some pictures and those pictures had her grandchildren in them the grandchildren we knew that didn’t keep in contact with her after moving to the states. I still have yet to find where her birth mother comes from but it will all come in time. Thank you all again for helping me solve a mission i thought was impossible, which would’ve been without your help and helping me translate and guiding me on where to look.
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@Bailey74 , I'm so glad you are having success! It's a lot like putting a puzzle together but without knowing what the puzzle looks like.
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