A cemetery standardized incorrectly
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A cemetery location that has been standardised correctly in my experience for at least 10 years, has recently been changed, from the actual location, which is correct on Find a Grave and Canadian Headstones, to a village that is 10 km away. It is shown in the correct location on Google Maps, Bing and every other online map.
I have visited the cemetery on many occasions, it's in the same location as it has been since the first burial in 1832. Local place names and community borders have not changed recently, this is where I live.
It is now standardised 'in another place' which is incorrect. The other place has it's own cemetery, the names of the cemeteries are not at all similar.
I now need to change the standardised location to the correct location every time I enter a burial location.
There is an old historic standardised location that I can pick, but now it shows up as a non standardised location.
I have added notes and alert notices to several profiles that state the current location is incorrect.
How do I ask for the cemetery location to be changed back to the previous correct location?
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@Monica Ross_1 Sounds like someone made a mistake updating a cemetery. Which one is it? Exactly what is the problem? And where should it be located?
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This is the cemetery
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2529671/alton-cemetery
and also here
https://haltonpeel.ogs.on.ca/alton-wesleyan-methodist/
It was historically called Alton Wesleyan Methodist Cemetery but the name was changed a long time ago to remove the religious affiliations.
It has been categorised as being in Belfountain, which is now theoretically part of Alton. Belfountain is about 10 km south east of Alton.
Alton Cemetery, Alton, Belfountain, Caledon, Peel, Ontario, Canada
If you look at this profile GSDC-BQD for John James Brown you can see the Missing Standardized Burial Place note
The location should be exactly as it is shown on Find A Grave.
Thank you so much!
M
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@Monica Ross_1 - I have to say that I don't understand that standard place-name and I think the Places team should explain.
The standard place-name is "Alton Cemetery, Alton, Belfountain, Caledon, Peel, Ontario, Canada" - see URL https://www.familysearch.org/en/research/places/?text=Alton%20Cemetery,%20Caledon,%20Peel,%20Ontario,%20Canada&focusedId=11752724
When I look at the map on that URL, the co-ordinates do appear to point to the correct place - a patch of green in the middle of Alton.
The weirdness (to this guy on the other side of the Atlantic who is trying to be logical about it) lies in the higher level place-names above the cemetery.
- Alton is described in the standard places as a village.
- Belfountain is described in the standard places as a town.
- Caledon is described in the standard places as a township.
- Peel is described in the standard places as a county.
Alton, Belfountain and Caledon are visible as quite separate places on the map - hence confusion.
According to the rules for Ontario on https://www.familysearch.org/en/standards/admin/place-reports/?region=70&country=133
"Towns and villages should be directly under the county (or district) in most cases."
That would seem to imply "Alton Cemetery, Alton, Peel, Ontario, Canada" is the correct reading - Alton being the village and Peel the county.
If you and any other real Canadian genealogists agree, I would suggest that the way forward is to go to the standard place-name entry for Alton Cemetery (URL above), click on the pencil link to "Improve this place" and suggest that the Belfountain and Caledon are unnecessary and misleading and "Alton Cemetery, Alton, Peel, Ontario, Canada" suffices. Similarly for Alton itself. Cite those rules ("under the county" etc), I suggest.
As an aside, things get even more complicated by the fact that on the standard places, Belfountain the town sits on the map on the top of Caledon, whereas Belfountain the village sits on top of Belfountain on the map.
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Just to clarify, when you stated that "A cemetery location … has recently been changed, from the actual location …. to a village that is 10 km away." Do you actually mean that the full description of the location has been changed or the actual location as shown by the dot on the map was changed? Because I am seeing the same as Adrian which is that the location of the cemetery is just fine. Here is the location in the Places database:
For some reason, that cemetery is actually standardized three different ways as seen by its three entries in the Places Database:
Regarding the names of the location, three different names will bring up one or more of these three locations:
So it looks to me, and you need to clarify this if you mean something else, you don't have a problem with the location or the name of the location but rather the jurisdiction or upper level or parent places for this location, to use three different equivalent terms. That is, everything that come after "… Cemetery,"
Sorry to be so particular, but a problem can't be fixed until clearly defined and English isn't always so great at providing clarity.
It looks to me that the three Alton Cemeteries need to be merged and then the parent place for it fixed as Adrian discusses.
The people in charge of such things try to monitor the group that is specifically for such things which is here https://community.familysearch.org/en/group/68-familysearch-places but is it not a very active or well known group so I'm not sure how often they check it. Using the Improve This Place can work. Also, e-mailing them directly can work. Their e-mail is given at the very end of this Help Center article: https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/how-do-i-request-a-new-place-in-the-database-of-standardized-places#:\\~:text=Additional%20Information.,Related%20articles . Sometimes a moderator or someone else will point out posts in Community to people in the group and they will reply here even though it is not in the Places group.
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In reference to the issue noted by Gordon Collett, of three seperate place sets for the Alton Cemetery, I have corrected this. Now there is only one place:
Our current guidlines state we generally use just the current historic period for a cemetery. As for the historic period to use in the death, usually the memorials provide the place at that time, which can be found by looking at earlier historic periods of the parent.
As suggested by Gordon Collett, if you find something wrong with a place, you can request a correcton via these instructions:
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