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seanmcmullin1
seanmcmullin1 ✭
September 7 in Get Involved

During Place Name review, I ran into a record referencing Agia Galini, Crete. There is an existing Hagia Galini, Rethymno, Crete:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Pf7RMy5h5SneeLQNA

However, it doesn't show up in the Standard Place Names options — nor does any other potential combination of vowels in that name.

In the case where I've verified that a place exists but it isn't an option, what do I do?

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  • Gordon Collett
    Gordon Collett ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 8 edited September 8 Answer ✓

    @seanmcmullin1 ,

    You have three options:

    A. Just click skip.

    B. Standardize the place name by going up one jurisdiction. That is, in this case, Crete, Ottoman Empire, or Crete, Greece, depending on the time period. This links the standard to the place name on the Family Tree profile. It does not change the place name. Verify Place Names never does. But it does let the program know where that place name is so the program can start providing hints and such.

    C. Record the Family Tree profile ID so you can find this record again. Click skip. Go to the Places database at https://www.familysearch.org/en/research/places/ and in the top left corner click Suggest A New Place to request that Agia Galini be added. Check back every few months and see if it has been and when it has go back to the Family Tree profile and standardized the place.

    The Places database varies widely in how complete it is depending on where you are in the world.

    Looking there at Crete there are currently the two options I mentioned above. 1750 to 1908 is covered by Crete, Ottoman Empire and 1908 to Today is covered by Crete, Greece. Currently there is no option for prior to 1750. There are no places under Crete, Ottoman Empire, and only twenty nine places under Crete, Greece. Of those twenty nine, twenty eight are municipalities that have the time period of 2011 To Today. The other is a village.

    Looking at the google map reference you posted:

    Screenshot 2025-09-08 at 6.35.24 AM.png

    And comparing it to the same area in the Places database and doing and area search, however, brings up information that Crete actually has a lot more place names under it, including Agia Galini. They are just not under Crete:

    Screenshot 2025-09-08 at 6.41.26 AM.png Screenshot 2025-09-08 at 6.43.07 AM.png

    So that gives you another option:

    D. Standardized the place using Ayía Galíni, Rethymno, Greece, if it appears to be the village or αgιas galηnis, Rethymno, Greece, if it appears to be the municipality.

    Again I have to stress that linking a standard to a place name through the Verify Place Names routine does not change the place name on the profile as added by the user who entered it. It only adds the latitude and longitude of the place so other FamilySearch routines know what place is being referred to.

    (I know far too little about Crete to explain the place standards and can only say again that the database is very incomplete for Crete and that a brief look in Wikipedia suggests that Ayía Galíni needs at least a dozen historical time periods added to it to cover what it was called and what it was under from when it was part of Greece in 500 BC, to being part of the Roman Empire, then the Byzantine Empire, then the Emirate of Crete, the Byzantine Empire again, then being part of Venice, then as part of the Ottoman Empire, then independent, and finally part of Greece. And to include all the changing regional structures it was in such as municipalities through the years.

    Also, it appears to need a lot more variant names added to it. Currently it only has one:

    Screenshot 2025-09-08 at 7.01.08 AM.png

    so it only comes up when spelled as shown here (I assume that is not a y but rather a gamma) which explains why you could not find it using the different analog for gamma which you used.)

    So you have one more option:

    E: Go to the Places database entry for Ayía Galíni, Rethymno, Greece, and click on the Improve This Place link on the right hand side and request that more historical time periods be added and more variations of the name be added. Then at some point in the future go back and link the correct standard.

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  • MaureenE123
    MaureenE123 ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 8 edited September 8

    @seanmcmullin1

    I am not connected with FamilySearch.

    Is the following topic helpful?

    "Are all Standardized place names and dates in English?" Includes screen shots which may help explain

    https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/comment/601909#Comment_601909

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  • maryellenstevensbarnes1
    maryellenstevensbarnes1 ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 8

    I am not connected with Family Search but I just tried Verify Place Names and it looks like United Kingdom and United States of America are all mixed together so its almost impossible to verify place names without going to the Person ID and looking for other clues. My opinion - do not make any changes to the Person ID without using a citable source —

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  • Adrian Bruce1
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    September 8 edited September 9

    If the URL comes through, then https://www.familysearch.org/en/standards/admin/place-reports/?region=75&country=27 should list the place-name standards for Greece. Basically, there is a split (as far as FS is concerned) in 2011 when the names move from a 3 to a 2 level division of areas from municipality upwards.

    There is a worrying (to me) statement there that

    Not all levels of administration in Greece are used in FS Places. Decentralized administration (above regions) and regional units (above municipalities) are not used in FS Places

    This is worrying to me because Crete is now a Decentralised Administration so shouldn't appear in names applicable today. However, the DAs were only created in 2011. Before that, the applicable concept appears to be Regions - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_Greece and Crete was one of those. (Both before and after 1986 when things changed)

    Anyway, the thing is that if you wish to deal with the place-name standards team, all the above is going to be how they are thinking… Good luck

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