Another marriage question - Norway
Thank you for the very helpful information. I didn't know about the Saltdal Community tree. It reinforces my guess about a family branch- two people are recorded there as brother and sister. I don't know if this is a problem - if they are siblings, a pair of their children married - first cousins, 1831. Was this legal then? Reading the Norway wiki it seems not. She was a 40 year old widow if that matters. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/16619/119, 3rd entry Jan 10 1831.
I thought I had found another ancestor's marriage but is this an engagement or reading of banns? https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/16618/31 Dom 8 Trin, Ole Jensen Sundbye & Bereth Joensdr Oos. What is the word in the left margin? The Copulare record is on the next page, Dom 18.
Saltdal must have been highly inbred.
Thank you.
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The website seems to be having a terrible time with retaining anything more than text in a comment. I'll keep this shorter without links or images and hope the whole thing doesn't vanish again!
Probably in most small rural communities in Norway cousins getting married occurred here and there just due to the small population. Even today, marriage between cousins is legal in Norway. This leads to high levels of endogamy which can throw off genetic relationship calculations badly. For an interesting presentation on this topic, go to RootsTech and under Sessions search for "When Your Tree Is a Banyan" parts 1 and 2.
As an example of what happens in your tree when close relatives married in the past is my wife's family. Her father was born on the island of Stord and her mother was born in Bergen, which are about 50 miles apart. They are related to each other in a couple of dozen different ways, that is, the two of them have a couple of dozen sets of common ancestors. The closest set makes them 6th cousins.
Regarding the second half of your question, the word in the first column is Trol, that is, Trolovelsen. I don't know if you have run into this, but I've seen several older parish records in which the actual marriage record did not include the farm names of each of the couple but the engagement record several pages earlier did, which really helps knowing that the right couple has been found.
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Marriage between cousins pops up pretty frequently. I'm not sure of any legal issues in 1831, but I've seen it so often that either the wiki is incorrect or any such laws were just ignored. Such marriages are legal today in Norway. (see: https://www.regjeringen.no/en/topics/families-and-children/innsiktsartikler/marriage-and-cohabitation1/vilkar-for-ekteskap/id672620/ )
In most smaller rural areas of Norway there were high rates of endogamy just due to the limited population (for a nice discussion of this and how it fouls up genetic genealogy, see the RootsTech presentation: https://www.familysearch.org/rootstech/rtc2021/series/when-your-tree-is-a-banyan-untangling-endogamy )
My wife was born in Hordaland, Norway, and even though her father was born on the island of Stord and her mother was born in Bergen, which are about 50 miles apart, her parents are related to each in over a dozen different ways.
Regarding the second marriage record you posted, the word in the first column is Trol, for trolovelsen:
These are sometimes helpful to find because I have seen some of these older records where, unlike this one, the actual marriage record does not include their farm but the engagement record does which really helps in making sure one has found the right couple.
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Did you get to see my answer before it vanished? This website seems to be having a lot of problems with losing comments. If you didn't, I'll post it again.
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Thank you Gordon. I received the first sentence and a half in my email alert, but the rest is gone. So cousinship is not an issue and doesn't reflect errors in connecting the family.
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